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> I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist.

China has been socialist since the communists won the Chinese civil war in 1949.

China employs capitalist methods in order to further its productive capabilities in order to complete it socialist revolution. Ultimately the Chinese communist party has full and final control of all property. In other words Chinese “capitalism” does not entail private property rights as are guarded in constitutions in other countries.

Educational material:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_chara...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution

https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-c...

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That's just a propaganda of the CCP to hide the fact that Communism has failed their people and now they need to adopt a certain degree of Capitalism with free market to boost the economy. Same thing with the Vietnamese, an attempt to rebrand their Communism.

Actually the propaganda is that China is just a capitalist democratic country that is no longer socialist.

From the article:

> in July 2011 President Hu Jintao stressed that ‘China is still in the primary stage of socialism and will remain so for a long time to come’ (Xinhua, 2011)

China is very very interested in progressing the socialist and finally communist agenda. Believing otherwise is ignorance.

Show me the equivalent of the 5th amendment in Chinese law protecting private property rights. And please don’t forget... Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.

And READ the educational material before commenting!

That's what they claims, but not what they do.

This is the amendment you asked for: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/16/china

>The highly symbolic law - which also removed preferential tax rates for foreign companies operating in China - was overwhelmingly passed by the National People's Congress (NPC) on the final day of its annual two-week session in Beijing.

Seriously?

Again, there’s no judicial review. If you take the communist government to court because they violated the law, the court can’t make the government do anything.

The laws are only to promote production to increase the country's productive output. At any time the government can strip you of your property and redistribute it... which HAS happened numerous times already, without recourse, not appropriate compensation.

How can you possibly argue that faux property laws mean the country is not socialist??

The sooner the wider community accepts that China is a totalitarian regime with a long term communist agenda, the sooner we can stop allowing them to take advantage of the international community.

Property theft, land and sea right violation... corporate espionage. All are part of the official Chinese communist party aims.

> Yet China’s courts cannot invoke the constitution in rulings, so such a change will offer limited legal protection to peasants

https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-retrograde-rural-land-polici...

How China’s Legal System Enables Intellectual Property Theft

https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/how-chinas-legal-system-enab...

Human Rights Practices: China

https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-...

What I got from your reply is that your samples of socialism are only confined to China. I don't recognize it to be the same as for something like European socialism, China's "socialism" just a name that the CCP would like call themselves ( and this by definition is a propaganda ).

>And READ the educational material before commenting!

Seems like a real condescending way to reply.

You keep using that word Socialism, but I don’t think it means what you think it means. If you want to let ok at true socialism, look to Scandinavia. China might call what they are doing socialism, but come on, they could call it anything they want and it would still be whatever they want it to be.

Europe's socialism (for example) is very different from the Chinese one and does not suppress its citizen's private property rights. The generalization you made about socialism is not accurate outside China.

While Chinese communism is different than European, they both stem from Marxist socialism.

Private property rights are only for the good of the state. What laws exist, are for the good of the socialist system, and can be amended by the communist party at any time. Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.

“Private property” in China is for the benefit of the state. The basic tenant of Chinese government... “From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs” means redistribution is always in the hands of the state.

READ the educational material!

Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this.

China is socialist under their own definition of socialism. Yet they have heard the siren song and have been steadily marching closer to a state-aided crony capitalist system that resembles Russia's current system, but much better managed.

> Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this.

When did I say that? I never did. China is Socialist AND Totalitarian.

> China is socialist under their own definition of socialism

"Socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

And PLEASE read this before replying:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...

You didn't actually respond to the comment. Both stemming from Marxism doesn't somehow make them magically the same, as you seem to be implying.

Again, China's 'socialism' is very different nearly all variations found in Western Democracies.

I’m not implying they are the same. I’m saying it’s still socialism.

Private property under China is fundamentally different. The communist party can redistribute it any time. You can’t sue the Chinese government to get your property back, as they can amend any laws at will.

So it being different than European communism doesn’t meant it’s not socialism.

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