What does HN make of this? I would think that Bing/DDG would have separate search results in China so I’m quite surprised to see this happening outside of China.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
From personal experience, I’m experiencing flags like I’ve never seen before. I have several IRL fiends who no longer post or visit HN because of it (because reasonable discussion is being disappeared).
I’d be curious to know the attrition rate after flags. Also if the number of flags for long term members have increased. The data’s all public (I think), so I can do the analysis. But I find it interesting.
Posts are flagged if a certain number of users flag them, not just mods/admins.
I think users can flag, but not mark as dupe
(And before you respond with the obvious - Microsoft has clearly blocked this, and it's in China's interest for them to do so, yes, but can you explain why you think that is that particularly Hacker Newsworthy? Like, the only thing you've posted is 5x comments of single line outrage - you've called for people to be banned, DDG to be removed from a list, called it suspicious, cast aspersions on HN employees - you don't seem to be trying to start a detailed discussion about anything related - and neither does almost everyone else.)
> It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News.
> Moderators sometimes also add [flagged] (though not usually on submissions), and sometimes turn flags off when they are unfair.
Is it therefore the case that the Moderators consider this flagging to be fair?
This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#flag.
Edit: details of what happened are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27397230
A lot of CCP fans out there it seems.
That last bit breaks the site guidelines. Can you please review them and stick to the rules? We'd appreciate it.
I wanted to, but it seems to be gone. :-(
[Ed. I see, flagged but not dead, so no vouching...]
Separately, I'd be curious to know what systems are in place to deal with bad-faith flagging. There doesn't seem to be any mention of this in the Hacker News FAQ. Not saying that's what happened here, but it seems like a situation that would come up sooner or later.
Since people are asking "if all that is true, why does it still say [flagged]", I've turned off flags on the above post now.
I'm not certain I can continue to use duck duck go if it is going to give me results subjected to CCP censorship. I switched to it from Startpage as it had a less shady reputation than the latter, but Startpage hasn't messed with my actual searches like DDG now has though.
DDG should seriously consider the provider if there is going to be political censorship from their sources.
I've also noticed that people questioning why this has been flagged are being downvoted. Pretty suspicious given today is the anniversary of the massacre.
Dang was working 12 hours ago, he's likely off at the moment.
Is that the proper way?
> "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."
Also note the Contact link in the footer.
(Also note that @dang doesn't do anything other than display the five glyphs @, d, a, n, and g.)
But surprised to see this so blatant and really quite clumsily too as easy to find in other contexts without difficulty.
I think this is what people were afraid of happening with Googles project to reenter the Chinese search market if some of the censorship rules would leak back into the US by accident.
Global censorship of very real events where citizens were standing up for freedom.
Something funny is happening
Search for tank man - 4 images
Search for tank man China - many images including the one we expect as the first result
Search for tank man again - Images blocked by safe search.
The same search gave me different results!
Quite frankly I doubt even western outrage would matter, in 5 minutes everyone has already moved onto the next story.
However 'tank man' brings the relevant wikipedia as the top result in regular search.
So Bing and by extension DDG must have forgotten to turn off their CCP flag globally. At least that's my somewhat charitable interpretation. I am guessing DDG is piggy backing off Bing and therein lies the problem.
The 5th result is a picture of Chinese police on segways in modernish day Tianamen square
"China still gets annoyed with images showing the famous ...markets.businessinsider.com"
but that doesn't show up on "tank man" alone.
The actual famous image is result 10 and 11 (slight difference, 10 has 4 tanks, 11 taken from a different angle and presumably a little earlier has 3)
> "It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News."
> "Moderators sometimes also add [flagged] (though not usually on submissions), and sometimes turn flags off when they are unfair."
Plenty of people still on this page and downvoting. Irony is had they not flagged this ask-hn in the first place it would likely have gone quiet instead of Streislanding all over the place.
Use of the word 'google' here for searching is odd and could have been avoided.
"..." -..., 2021
tank man tiananmen square
"Tank man" alone is not specific enough for image search. It's probably found in main search only because Wikipedia uses that phrase.
I am an unabashed Microsoft fan, but this is abhorrent. I really hope they put out a statement and correct this. To me it would be like searching for "holocaust" or "Emmett Till" and getting no results.
The point is to explain why it does not show up where it obviously should, and even more unbelievably, why no images at all show up for such a generic pair of words.
There should at least be an infinite scroll of other images men and water tanks etc.
This exposes that the cause is not natural or innocent.
DDG returns the wikipedia page (and the image in the summary), but in images it's a different story