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This is going to backfire hard as soon as one disgruntled employee decides that, when faced with the choice of being forced to come into an office they can't stand being in or losing their source of income and ending up homeless, takes the third option of bringing an AR-15 to work, shooting up their workplace, and turning the gun on themselves.

Desperate people do desperate things, and mark my words, we will see a massive uptick in workplace mass shootings as a result of reckless CEOs forcing people back into the office.

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The third option is actually just finding a new job.

That feels... unrealistic. Apple pays well, and the folks who work there are likely able to find another job like... tomorrow. I doubt there are many financially desperate, mentally unstable people working there.

That said, I suppose it could occur at some other type of job. But pinning that on the CEOs is really unfair. People had a job presumably where they went into an office. The companies decided, or were forced to decide, that people could work from home to ride this thing out. Now that anyone who wants a vaccine is vaccinated in most places, it's not 'evil' to ask people to come back.

Apple doesn't actually pay well compared to competitors, I think most people are taking a haircut on their salaries in order to work there, because of the brand, the corporate culture etc.

> Now that anyone who wants a vaccine is vaccinated in most places, it's not 'evil' to ask people to come back.

Just because it's not 'evil' doesn't mean it's not stupid. If someone isn't performing, separation probably makes sense.

But it shouldn't be because they've woken up and realized that being in an office all day is a soul sucking exercise that they'd rather avoid.

I firmly believe this will all level out with people deciding to do what is best for them, because too many people have had the opportunity to realize how much better life is without a commute and physical restraints around where they do their work.

(Side point: the idea that anyone who wants a vaccine can get one is incredibly privileged, myopic, and fundamentally wrong. Stare long and hard at this: https://blogs.imf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/pandemic-pl...)

I feel like we're talking past each other. In other words, you're refuting points I wasn't making, in context.

It might be stupid, or a bad idea, sure. I'm not a pro office person. But the reply was in the context to a comment that more or less asserts CEOs have blood on their hands because of all the workplace shootings that will occur. Because they're asking people to come back to the office...let that sink in.

And because we're talking about Apple and AR15s, and workplace shootings for that matter, I think it's pretty clearly aimed at America. In most places in the US, any adult who wants a vaccine could have already gotten one.

Apologies if I missed your actual point. The parent post you're referencing was evidently gone by the time I replied, so I was responding on face value, not contextually.

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