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The current consumerist economy is based on scarcity.

Green energy (by definition, sustainable) should be anything but scarce, and therefore would allow "weaker" countries to be more self-reliant.

This will never be allowed by countries that want to keep their "G"-whatever denomination

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Energy may not be scarce, but energy collection devices and energy storage devices are.

However, they are incredibly cheap nowadays.

And the nature these "green" solar panels are built on is scarce too.

No it isn't. In Germany for example we have 2.4 million hectares reserved for "energy crops", i.e. mostly large monocultures of corn and canola. If we instead used that area for solar panels, a large fraction of Germany's primary power consumption could be covered.

Forgive my ignorance but what happens during the night when there is no sun? Would the day produce enough to last throughout the night with batteries? Are there enough batteries?

When I say "most of the primary energy requirements are satisfied above" I mean averaged over a year, where a square meter of solar panel produces about 150Wp and has a capacity factor of 11%, i.e. a square meter of solar panel produces around 130kWh/a. 2.4 million hectares would produce around 3200TWh per year, Germany consumes around 4000 TWh per year. These are of course just rough ballpark estimates.

You probably want to diversify into wind too to reduce storage requirements. IIRC wind also produces a bit more power per square meter in Germany than solar. Right now there isn't enough storage to cover the windstill nights, but there are no technical reasons why we can't store the power either in batteries, as Hydrogen or Methane, as heat, or, where geography permits, in pumped hydro (or a combination of different storage technology). It's just a bit expensive right now.

I am tired of this. There will be a lot of batteries once we get EVs. No, you do not need to charge a grid battery to charge your EV, can people please stop with this joke.

The other factor is that grid storage isn't profitable because there is almost zero demand for it. Please wait until it becomes a problem.

It's not as easy as merely comparing two numbers. Biomes are unique and contain unique ecosystems - both of which are being destroyed forever.

A corn monoculture is not a valuable biome. Otoh, a pesticide free meadow under a PV array that is "mown" by a couple of sheep can be a valuable biome.

Interesting theory. Do you have examples of the things the "G" countries do to keep "weaker" countries from investing in renewables?

We are actually in an age of abundance and by abundance I mean we have a lot of stuff that we can't afford to buy.

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