And anyone who is out on the trails with headphones... you still won't hear a bike bell, but then you won't hear a rattle-snake either.
And anyone who is out on the trails with headphones... you still won't hear a bike bell, but then you won't hear a rattle-snake either.
But you know what would be even nicer? If bikers had the curtesy to slow down a bit when the trail / path is crowded.
I also love riding fast. I understand that crowded paths are annoying. But when I see that the path is full of people, I don't start ringing my bell, or hollering "on your left" or "attention" at the people in front of me, I just slow down. There is no curteous way to pass someone with delta V of 15km/h on a narrow path.
If I want to ride fast, I pick a time when the paths aren't crowded. I don't understand why everyone wants to race their bikes on multi use paths on a sunny afternoon at 3PM when everyone else is outside too.
Try riding eg. Saturday at 7AM and you'll have the world to yourself and you can go as fast as you like.
That said, I have an always-on bell that rings as I ride over bumps. I like it for multiple reasons - for one bikers hear me coming for a long time, and know that I'm not going agro right behind them. For two, hikers and dog-walkers appreciate hearing it from far away, and often thank me for it.
I have nothing against hikers (would be hypocritical as someone who trail-runs) and blasting past people on a crowded path (or at all) is an idiot move. But on a single track trail people can come up on you really quick, 10km/h is a brisk jog so a 15km/h (4m/s) delta V isn't exactly fast.
My local trails are way quieter at 3pm (most people are in work and temperatures are still hot) than at 7am (pre-work dog walkers and exercisers). Saturday 7AM is literally the worse time in SoCal - big groups of riders and local running clubs all hit the trails Saturday morning. Guess it is varies by region but no matter the time I'd want to give other trail users the maximum oppertunity to know I was there so we can all be safe.
For the record I don't want to ride my bike fast on multi-use paths at any time of the day, not sure why you thought I did. If I ride fast it is on bike focussed routes (accessed via the multi-use trails).
This is horrific, so much unnecessary noise pollution.
The only - very few - occasions when this tactic did not work were usually hikers coming in the opposite direction and being actively hostile. There was an angry lady once who refused to move even an inch to the right, so I had to move to her left, which was a large field of nettle... To this day I don't know what her problem was, but this happens sometimes.
Or maybe the question is: in retrospect do you have any wishes or regrets about how you handled it? Did you think of anything you should have done differently to defuse the situation? Do you have any strategies for avoiding or resolving the rare but possible next hostile confrontation?
Multiple times in the past I have goofed and reacted to someone’s aggression with return fire, and I don’t think it’s ever made anything better, usually it’s worse. I would like to have some prepared strategies in my mind for handling it smoothly.
Hikers and animals (dogs and horses) have right of way over bikes at all times on the trails I ride, is that true for you too? I’ve bumped into an angry hiker or two also, but on the whole they’re almost always super friendly and contentious. For me it’s more common than not that hikers are apologizing and getting off the trail before I even have a chance to yield, sometimes so much so that I feel bad about it. Anyway, I think we should take stock of all the nice hikers and lucky interactions, because it’s perfectly okay and reasonable for a hiker on a shared trail to not expect to yield. It’s definitely unkind if they refuse to make any room to pass, you do sound very patient, and the angry hiker experience totally sucks - triply if you got nettle all over. But at the same time, if we as bikers aren’t yielding first as much as we can, it’ll only get less fun for everyone and we can lose trails, right?
I do agree it adds noise to (potentially) tranquil trails but imho its a good safety trade-off. Way better than people who insist on blasting music from their phone speakers or conference call while walking.
I feel like any naysayer hasn't actually been out on the trails much or haven't run into a bike while doing so.
>music from phone speakers
Now those are unjustifiable noise.
A bell that clangs as you walk is also common for back-country hikers to keep bears and others away too.
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/parks-canada-officials-endorse-th...
> The flaw with bear bells is their sound means little to a bear. “They just don’t make enough noise and they don’t make a bear aware that you’re human. A little tinkling noise doesn’t necessarily tell a bear that there’s a person nearby.”
> To prevent a negative encounter with a bear, Stuart-Smith recommends:
> Making noise when travelling on a trail
This advice contradicts itself. Bells make noise, and are louder and carry further than a human voice at normal conversation levels. I've never heard a serious hiker/backpacker warn against a bell... and the bear spray this guy recommends using only works when the bear is within 10-15 feet of you, and hopefully not startled into an attack. Bears can run a lot faster than you, and can climb a lot better than you. It's really best to avoid that situation entirely.
The advice of singing loudly, or yelling your name is unrealistic. Nobody that's hiking in backcountry will be able to sustain that for long, it's exhausting, particularly on all-day or multi-day hikes.
I do agree, the small bear bells often sold at REI are not the best though, the cowbell type OP mentioned is far superior.
Rarely do bears and other wild animals go out of their way to interact with humans... the bell just lets them know something is coming so they aren't startled by your sudden presence.
In Japan, hikers are advised to use bells and many do. People here have been using these trails for hundreds of years. They know what they are doing.
Because 'Life finds a way.'
BASTA!
Hahaha. These comments are funny. It's not a cowbell, that was just an analogy. It's a bike bell with an off switch.
https://www.google.com/search?q=timber+bell
It's not "noise pollution" in any meaningful sense, except to the rider while it's on. :) But it is a good safety measure and is kind to other people on the trail.
A loud hub isn't a particularly good replacement for me since I'm running into other riders and hikers just as often while pedaling as while free-wheeling or downhilling. Maybe even less often downhilling since we're getting more and more one-way trails these days. I even watched my friend who has a loud hub have a slow mostly harmless head-on with a climber coming around a blind corner last season. Climber got angry but hadn't made any attempt to be noticed whatsoever, it would have been completely avoided had he made any noise, like, you know, had a bell...
My positive experience with it is very similar to what this guy describes, multiple people on the trail thanking me for using a bell. I've never once had a complaint about the noise, but occasionally I want it quieter for me. And I also found his 'secret' trick for keeping it slightly quieter, in addition to aiming it downward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD63c5pgHcU
You don't want to sneak up on a bear.
And many hikers use them too. The ones I encounter are no louder than a dog-collar.
I ride a lot of bike paths. I don't like hollering or ringing. I just slow down and let people hear my hub if need be. They can take their time.
A lot of my fellow cyclists (all of them kitted to the nines) thread the needle at 20mph. It's bullshit.
Where I live we have a wonderful bike/pedestrian path which is heavily frequented whenever there's good weather. The worst offenders are racing bike drivers. Well at least those who like to LARP as such. (50yo, wearing cloth like they would be competing in the Tour de France).
They don't have bells on their bikes because "aerodynamics" (my guess) and they drive like absolute madmen down the path (they compete on Strava).
I myself got yelled at several times which I usually shrug off or tell them to f** off. But what gets my blood boiling is when those people go out on a Sunday when there's sunny weather and start their BS on a crowded path.
The path is frequented by families on weekends and I have seen multiple times how those 40yo/50yo "gentlemen" yell at little children because the kids have the audacity to have fun with their little bikies and thus ruin the racer's Strava times.
Our local mountain biking (we're not really mountain terrain yet we still have some single trails) community is completely different. They're nice, they always make room when you meet them in the woods. No problems there.
/rant
It is like some bikers forget they have breaks on their devices, instead just yell and curse the other people on the sidewalk that happen to be on the bycicle lane for whatever reason, after all it is just a different colour on the sidewalk.
I'm Canadian, and as the saying goes "we say sorry 50 times a day, and we're sorry we can't say it more", but still...I don't understand why you're apologizing rather than giving warning, and is ringing a bell really any better in this instance?
The local racing biker etiquette here seems to be yelling "AUS DEM WEG" (make way) in a very rude tone. "Hi there" or even "sorry" would be a definitive improvement over what we have now. ;)
I wouldn’t know what these were supposed to mean!
Are you telling me that you’re going to pass on my left or are you telling me to move onto my left? How do you expect people to know?
They should say it when you have a bit of time to take a look and assess, but there are some who say it a couple of feet behind you
If something is "on your left" <side>, I'd hope it should be easy to realize that you should either move to the right, or be aware of someone passing "on your left".
Lol I'm English.
> If something is "on your left" <side>, I'd hope it should be easy to realize that you should either move to the right
But it could just as likely mean 'please step off the path on your left so I can pass by your right side'.
People make up these conventions and then assume everyone else knows them!
Ideally I'd say don't cycle where people are walking in the first place!
(The main alternative used in competition is “track track track!” which is distinctly less helpful.)
You should not assume that the other person will understand it and act immediately, but it’s absolutely the correct thing to say in this scenario. You just also need to slow down to be able to respond if they don’t.
How about 'I'm passing you on your left'?
Oddly, here in the Netherlands the reverse seems to be true- it is illegal to ride a bike without a bell on public roads, but bikes are often sold without them...
So sad to see their design being ripped off by copycats.
My personal optimization is also to not make noise at all, if I can clearly and safely pass without warning i.e. the pedestrian is not moving erratically and there are no small children. On rare occasion this elicits anger from (usually elderly) pedestrians though.
For some humans, sure. The trouble is that maybe 1/3 of people simply won't process the "ding" at all, which makes it so unreliable as to be useless in practice, IME. (You can ring repeatedly and people eventually notice, but overall that's less effective than saying something).
How so? You can say something in the same scenario where you'd ring the bell.
> It also can be heard earlier than a biker's speech (assuming the biker doesn't continually give verbal warnings for 15 seconds as is true for basically all bikers on earth).
I don't quite understand the point you're making here - most bikers don't continually ring a bell for 15 seconds except if a pedestrian is obviously not paying attention, and speech is more effective in that case. Maybe a bell is louder than typical speech, but since it's not acted on reliably by pedestrians, that doesn't help much - you always have to be prepared for the worst case.
The Air Zound isn't a polite way of telling a pedestrian or cyclist you're passing them. It's more like yelling "move over, jackass!" I can count on one hand the number of times I've used mine on a trail—only when folks were (perhaps deliberately) unaware of more subtle attempts at communication and blocking me from passing and/or doing something reckless. In the few cases I did use it on a trail, people involuntarily jumped in response.
On the other hand, the Air Zound is a way of telling cars "I'm here" / "be careful" / "don't do the stupid thing I see in your eyes". I use it in that way almost daily. (Maybe as much a commentary on the drivers around here as anything else.) A bell just wouldn't work for that at all. They really wouldn't physically hear it.
(I'm a road cyclist and the trails I ride are paved urban creek trails rather than mountain bike tracks, but I think the etiquette is similar.)