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There is nothing new about Russia interfering with foreign elections. What is new is that a presidential candidate can be accused of colluding with Russia. You can't just go back to say "Russian collusion" means something else, when in fact the mainstream media and the Democrat Party members at the time was claiming Trump colluded with Putin.

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There was collusion. Manafort gave polling data to the russians.

So did the media. Are wr going to arrest any news commentator who was viewed by a Russian?

Yeah, those are not the same thing. You are not open to an honest debate.

It's also new for a presidential candidate to literally ask for their assistance on live TV.

The deep-state circus that followed was clearly rooted in this. Don’t make them mad.

This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU

Clearly a joke at the expense of the ineptitude of his opponent's campaign. The fact people point to this as their "evidence" is pretty clearly desperation and self-delusion.

There was no evidence. You were lied to.

Right, because it's not like he's lied about this specific event in campaign speeches[0], or specifically asked a foreign power to assist in digging up dirt on an opponent on live TV more than once[1] or anything...

[0] https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1310009283401187330

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Q67tAUiMg

Throwaway account because you're not proud to take credit for what you're claiming? Don't worry, I didn't downvote you, other than with this post.

Thanks. I feel I said lots of stupid things in the past, so I created a long-term throwaway account.

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