Thank you, yes, this is where I arrive at.
Describing patterns observed from within space-time and ending up modelling a timeless universe seems incoherent to me!
Describing patterns observed from within space-time and ending up modelling a timeless universe seems incoherent to me!
My concern is something like this: observing and modelling patterns in the universe can only take place within time. If your models derived from the observed patterns then allow you to model a universe that does not have time, then there is something fishy with the model -- you've bootstrapped a timeless universe that is only intelligible from within time.