Whatever he's doing seems to be pretty easy, any word on how he's defeating the safety checks?
If its just a steering wheel check then all he needs to do is put his foot on the wheel, which looks like what he did.
If it had a weight sensor in seat then he would also need a heavy enough weight.
If there is also an attention tracking camera then that has to be fooled as well.
No system is perfect it also doesn't mean more couldn't be done, the more friction you add the less people will do it, especially just casual offenders who just jump in the back seat and use a foot to try it out.
How much should be done is an open debate, I am just trying to find out what a Tesla currently does.
- The jokesters that manipulate the vehicle with a foot or something. There are very few of these in general, as there really isn't a benefit to the operator.
- The sleepers - These seem to be happening too often with Teslas. It seems like face/head tracking could fix it.
- The movie watchers - These can trivially defeat both the eye tracking style approaches and the possibly a camera based approach as well.
- The unfocused, tired, or otherwise slightly distracted. This is by far the biggest group.
To maximize safety, these things need to focus on shaping behavior, not on stopping determined and willfully dangerous adversaries.
I'm not sure what else Tesla could do without having too many false-positives.
1: https://www.amazon.com/seat-belt-buckle-alarm-stopper/s?k=se...
Cars are dangerous and almost by definition can be used maliciously to terrifying effect, and we just accept that. You don't expect your Civic to protect the world against you running them over, why demand it from another manufacturer?
From https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2021/Civic-Sed...
The system starts monitoring the roadway ahead when your vehicle speed is about 3 mph (5 km/h) and there is a vehicle in front of you.
The CMBSTM activates when:
The speed difference between your vehicle and a vehicle or pedestrian detected in front of you becomes about 3 mph (5 km/h) and over with a chance of a collision.
Your vehicle speed is about 62 mph (100 km/h) or less and the system determines there is a chance of a collision with:
- Vehicles detected in front of you that are stationary, oncoming, or traveling in your same direction.
- A pedestrian who is detected in front of you.
Your vehicle speed is above 62 mph (100 km/h), and the system determines there is a chance of a collision with a vehicle detected in front of you traveling in your same direction.
EDIT: But then again, its a Volvo :-P (It's not like they are considered a "hip" manufacturer)
Most cars it's never been a worry because the vehicle would crash immediately when someone moved to the back seat, so if someone attempted this they had a death wish anyway.
Now, we are in a transition phase where cars aren't fully self driving but they have features they take some control over which gives people a false sense of confidence, and Tesla is the worst offender here.
If there is a feature that reliably prevents a Civic from striking a person, you can bet it should be included on every new vehicle. Look at rear view cameras - rarely seen 10 years ago and they are now required by law on new cars in the US because they have proven to greatly enhance the safety of pedestrians.
The legislation hasn't caught up with the tech here - it will soon enough.
Which is sort of the point I think you're missing: the driver nag doesn't seem to enhance safety much at all. In fact I don't think we have a single known accident (now that everyone seems to be backing off from assumptions about that Texas crash) where someone defeated a Tesla driver nag and got into a crash a human driver would have prevented.
Everyone should agree that we should demand proven safety features be implemented broadly.
The problem is that people seem to be arguing the converse: that because Tesla has this feature, it must mean that autopilot is UNsafe. And that just doesn't seem to be the case.
https://www.google.com/maps/@61.2297735,-149.7217745,3a,83.7...
It seems based on other actual answers to my question there is only a steering wheel check.
Are you proposing there should be no checks and it's purely the drivers responsibility therefore my question should not be answered directly instead this should be a debate about risk management?
Please clarify how the GP answered my question and what I missed.
Can I get a clear response instead of argumentative rambling?