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It's my understanding that Dark Fail is a Russian criminal gang and that Russia does not extradite, stop, or punish these criminal gangs. To me that makes the Russian government culpable and this an act of war.

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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's tedious, predictable, and nearly always nasty.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27102024.

If you believe this is somehow unprecedented, or that the United States does not also exploit extralegal methods for proxy conflict/geopolitical subterfuge when convenient, you need to read more

>and this an act of war

What an absurd statement. And what do you suggest we do? Attack them and hope they don't respond with nukes?

Solarwinds hack, Mueller report, this... I don't know what the best response is. First we have to wake up that we are under attack.

Take a deep breath, you are jumping at shadows and telling everyone that "they" are out to get us.

Thieves are thieves, organized crime is organized crime. You think there aren't major criminal organizations in the US committing ransoms in other countries?

Previous poster isn't wrong that the Russian government turns a blind eye to these kind of things as long as it doesn't target Russian citizens; same with China etc. This isn't especially controversial, and anyone involved with these kind of things will tell you this.

Calling this an "act of war" is of course hysterical.

You say “under attack,” I say “standard world power shenanigans”

where did you get this understanding?

MSNBC had a person on who purported to be someone knowledgeable. I also read the Washington Post. The act of war part was my idea. I realize I may not have the correct understanding yet, but based on the Solar Winds hack and the Mueller report, it seems to me they are attacking us. Isn't an attack an act of war?

consider washington post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/democrats-a...

and msnbc:

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/russia-paid-up-to-100k-bou...

in light of this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-pentagon-officials-russi...

and this:

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-bounty-story-falls-apart-1921...

i noticed this at the time. i heard really loudly about russia paying bounties on american soldiers, and then so quietly that i might have missed it that there was no evidence for it. it's odd isn't it?

Large corporate or state media outlets are unlikely to provide the historical context or the epistemic humility required to follow geopolitics with nuance

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