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This is a great article and a great read, even as someone who knows very little about machine learning models but is a fan of the NBA.

One question I have is whether it’s possible to model voter fatigue. There was a point brought up that LeBron had a solid candidacy in the Rose MVP season but voters didn’t want to give it to him again, and I feel like this equally applies to Giannis this year. Though Giannis’ season isn’t as good as Jokic’s for sure, if they were closer I feel like Giannis would have to do WAY better than the competition to have a shot at the award, given general sentiment about him and his playoff results.

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I have not watched NBA basketball in years, but the NBA had the most vague definition of MVP going back decades.

What it certainly is not - since the 1980s or longer - is “best player”. Magic over Jordan in the late 90s set that precedent, followed by Karl Malone winning a few as a good but not great player.

This continued in the 2000s, with Shaquille O’Neal not winning as many as one might predict. I suspect that is still the case.

Right, it’s cliché but it’s clear that MVP isn’t the “best player” award given how infrequently LeBron has won it. It’s more some nebulous combination of “how good you are”, “how much you contribute to your team’s success”, and “are you doing so without the support of another star”.

I stopped reading at Karl Malone supposedly being a good but not great player.

He was a good numbers guy, but there were always five or more players better than him throughout his tenure. Certainly not 2 MVP's good.

Sure, whether he deserved to win a couple of MVPs is a perfectly valid argument. The fact that there were probably single-digits worth of better players than him during the greatest era the NBA has ever seen is the definition of a great player, no?

I think Karl is one of the players that history looks back on more kindly than the present did. He was seen as not a winner/unable to win at the time, and a lot of fans valued that more so than at present. If you asked 10 people to choose between Malone and Pippen, it would have been 5 and 5.

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