When someone else will sell us a car.
I literally just ordered a model Y, with the $10k FSD package. Would I have bought something else if I could get it? Maybe. But this is here, and I can get it. Look, the product as it exists today is real and has value. Maybe you're not exited by it, but I am. And I can buy it. And I just did.
I'm old enough to remember when "make something people want" wasn't considered "bullshit" on this site.
Exactly what am I not getting? This really seems like a strawman kind of thing. You're inventing a product and a market that don't correspond to real cars or consumers, and then arguing about what those consumers "really" wanted or what the car was "supposed" to do, and not what they actually want or what the hardware actually does.
I don't see how that's helpful to anyone other than an investor short on TSLA. The way to prove that this is a garbage product, again, is to make a better one.
If you know that what you're paying for is L2 then all good, enjoy your new car :)
The problem people have is the misleading lies, like L5 being right in the corner, I'm pretty sure many fell for it.
Full Self-Driving Capability
* Navigate on Autopilot
* Auto Lane Change
* Autopark
* Summon
* Full Self-Driving Computer
* Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control
Coming later this year
* Autosteer on city streets
The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and
do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these
features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human
drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as
regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As
these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously
upgraded through over-the-air software updates.> The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already
did you say that before you had the chance to read that text?
Maybe... you just want something different? Why are you so angry about a product you aren't buying.
As for assuming good faith, giving all Elon Musk's actions and statements, it is hard to assume it at this point.
People don't need to "learn" how to operate semi-autonomous vehicles that have insufficient safety features. Tesla's autonomy does not train drivers to be attentive. In accident situations, a driver who's been lulled into complacency has no chance to respond appropriately.
Every other company took a more conservative approach to self-driving. Only Tesla barrels forward, head in the sand, ignoring all standards, like being able to exit the vehicle in an accident without needing to find the latch behind the speaker cover. A random passenger would not know this. Tesla breaks things that were not broken and claims they are innovative solutions, meanwhile wasting public investment money.
> The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already.
This is incorrect. It's a level 2 driver-assist feature no matter what road or surface you're driving on. This means keeping both hands on the wheel and paying full attention to driving 100% of the time.
Also level 1 is driver assistance. Level 2 would be “partial automation”, see http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving...
When you think about it, level 5 is the only level that should be described as autonomous. For all we know, level 5 could require strong AI to achieve. My guess is that the gap between levels 4 and 5 is much wider than most of us are assuming.
All because you apparently can't handle the fact that Tesla's $10k FSD package actually provides value to consumers?
I mean, be real: I almost certainly know more about this vehicle's capabilities than you do, and I assure you that I am more expert on my own purchasing logic.
I am using the word autonomous as defined by the SAE levels, which are described as “levels of autonomy”. You are yak shaving and contorting the words to your liking.
Also tesla is level 3, not level 2. It also doesn’t require hands on wheel 100% of the time, although they say it requires this
It's more of a "the other options suck" kind of thing with Tesla, no?
> Would I have bought something else if I could get it? Maybe.
Another poster above says they were smart for not purchasing FSD,
Tesla does see a market in the Americas, so they actually sell cars here. That gives them a big leg up, even among people who don't like them.
We have, and love, our Chevrolet Bolt. In addition to the Bolt, Kia, Hyundai, Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Jaguar, Polestar (Volvo), and more all have electric vehicles, all available in the US.
Charge $10k for pixie dust. Even for SV, this is an unbelievable abuse of consumers.