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I got to see this first hand recently. Tesla has a rabid fan base that try to take down any negative information. Somebody posted a video on YouTube criticizing Tesla’s full self driving system and using short clips from other channels that are clearly fair use. Users spammed DMCA takedown requests and YouTube removed the video. Other users published it to Vimeo, Veoh, and a few other sites but those all got taken down as well, basically killing the video’s spread. The only ones still up are PeerTube and a split version, although I’m not sure if it would disappear if that host chooses to remove it.

It just surprised me how effective this method of censorship was and I wonder how often it happens with more important topics.

Context: https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1321535914036748288?s... https://twitter.com/icapulet/status/1375232839415906304?s=20 https://twitter.com/FinanceLancelot/status/13752898727562731...

Have they tried just putting the video on a VPS VM and a single static web page with a synopsis of the video? Unless there are tens of thousands of simultaneous viewers, one should not even need a CDN. Happy to test this to see if things have changed. If there are tens of thousands of simultaneous viewers, there are about 35 or so decent CDN vendors out there. Some of them are quite affordable.

Well, I posted a copy on my PeerTube instance and without a court order it ain't getting deleted.

Do you care to share a link then?

https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148...

Thanks for hosting it. The video is very well done and rises valid points, but it's going to be difficult for it to gain traction fighting against the rabid fanbase. Wonder what could be a solution for this type of censorship.

Decentralization of platforms away from the larger content aggregators and towards smaller, more tight-knit, niche communities.

And if they start taking down domains without due process, parallel DNS systems will arise.

Handshake, for example.

One of the first instances I stumbled upon was this guy. Your mileage may vary.

https://videos.martinezperspective.org/videos/trending?a-sta...

If good-content people don't use peertube, then only bad-content people will use peertube.

You don't need to browse all the instances, you can stick to ones recommended by curators you trust.

Joinpeertube should do better about how it promotes instances for newbies.

2010-2015 was the golden age of YouTube. Adpocalypse effectively killed it as a neutral platform and now even mildly controversial videos get demonetized and/or removed. I therefore consider Peertube as essiantial as Wikipedia and Openstreetmap. I hope it becomes mainstream alternative to YouTube.

Does Wikipedia allow controversial content? It is fiercely editorially controlled, and proudly so.

Wikipedia often lets smears stay on their site - even if false and then locks down the page so the person isn't allowed to present their own side of story to defend themselves.

As for YouTube, similar example - There's a current trending HN thread on:

> YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977

> only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the internet

Can't/doesn't PeerTube work with IP-addresses directly?

The standard install requires a domain to get a certificate for https.

> I won't indulge what kind

There's only one kind considered too controversial for mainstream.

I mean, this comment could give you some clues [to what their leanings are and what content could be hosted*]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522

*Added context since parent was flagged

>For all I've seen "non-white non-male" is generally given priority in all kinds of areas, certainly in start-up interest. It's considered "hip" to associate with these "non-white non-male" groups, irregardless of their actual performance in whatever area they were prioritized. (To a certain extent at least, they can't be completely nonperforming) Being able to show that you have included these groups in whatever way your organization works, gives you advantages in press situations foremost, but also in other ways such as meeting arbitrary quotas set by higher-ups and HR dept.s in your organization.

I'm guessing...videos leaked from inside factory farms.

Guess again:

> 1) Non-white non-males are given less ability to grow in the "STEM/Entrepreneurship" fields as students and/or children by society.

> 2) White men are able to outperform those other groups by some inherent quality.

> Nevertheless, 1) seems to be partially disproved

Unless I misread, the claim that is being made here is "white males are inherently superior"

That was my take!

I think stirfish was being sarcastic about factory farms and probably reached the same (scary) conclusion.

To me it's more likely due to not being able to see reality is more nuanced than 2 options.

Which one are you referring to? Because I can think of a few.

if you look through his twitter, you can see the kinds of things he promotes....

You would be surpriced

Conservative-Libertarian Anarcho-Marxist Fascism?

The only true popular front! /s

If you’re intending to be sarcastic, you probably mean united front.

Looking at the definition I see united front actually fits the idea better! I did mean to be sarcastic and wrong though.

Ha!

Blending of conflicting ideologies implies compromise or trade-off, which would be a popular front.

In a united front, the groups do not merge or compromise. Ideologies and ultimate intentions remain pure, and the groups only collaborate in the name of overlapping interests.

These days as long as you promise financial benefits for about 10-30% of population, anything goes. That's why you've got so many populist parties around Europe winning elections. People don't care much as long as they get paid, can buy food, pay rent, and spend rest of the day browsing internet or getting drunk in front of Netflix.