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>85% of murders committed by blacks, the next highest ethic group only being 9%

Now compare this to the demographics of Norway

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That's...not even close to reflective of the nationwide statistics. What percentage of Philly is black (anwer: 43.6%. So about 4x the national average. Whites are 44%).

And while black convictions of murder nationwide are ~50-55% of the total (note: convictions), plenty of ink has been spilled over why that's the case; numerous systemic problems in the US that...yeah, Norway doesn't have.

But in a distant, very indirect route I sort of agree with you - the fact Norway didn't bring in slaves (though they did profit from slavery) does mean its current issues with racism manifest very differently.

Slaves were called thralls in Scandinavia.

Yes, at the same time other parts of Europe had serfs. The effects of that caste system have some current day ramifications (landed gentry vs everyone else), but it both allowed for people to become free, and it was abolished by the 14th century.

As compared to the African slave trade which was active less than 200 years ago, and which I was referring to. While Norwegians were active in the slave trade, they did not bring slaves back to Norway.

Can you give the breakdown by income too? There may be drug and other cultural issues in big inner city areas that are predominantly black, but my strong prior is that this is a poverty/ disadvantage effect as much as race.

Well, access to guns is a pretty big factor as well. Sub-Saharan Africa is just as poor or poorer than inner city US yet has way lower homicide rates

Here in Israel, tons of gun access for young men and there is very little domestic gun violence.

I was proposing another factor to add to his thesis. Israel is a pretty rich country.

I guess poverty relative to cost of living and median wage may also be relevant

And how much of that is just the drug trade DIYing its own enforcement since it can't rely on the courts to provide threat of state violence to settle its disputes?

Just what are you trying to find out with this question?

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