For instance there's a trend for medical students to believe less in evolution than other biology students
EDIT: reference to it in this story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/21/religion.highe...
For instance there's a trend for medical students to believe less in evolution than other biology students
EDIT: reference to it in this story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/21/religion.highe...
I don't find that particularly surprising, actually! I would assume that most subfields of biology relies more on deep understanding of evolution than medicine does. Like, if you're a botanist or entomologist or whatever, you need to have a very understanding of speciation and evolutionary pressure and whatnot, more so than a doctor would (I would think, anyway).
Now, if medical students believed less in evolution than the general public, THAT would be shocking. But I doubt that is the case.
One common reason for believing in God is how ingeniously designed living things often are. The reason why this turns out not to be a very good reason is that evolution explains this better (dealing e.g. with cases where the design seems needlessly complex, malicious, etc.). Biologists are more familiar with evolution and spend more time thinking about it than other scientists.
Relatedly, evolution has frequently been the target of attack from religious people and groups. Biologists are likely to notice this more and be more bothered by it (imagine a world where there's a strong anti-technology lobby motivated by religion; engineers would likely be more likely to be opposed to religion in that case).
Pure mathematicians are used to thinking of intangible things like numbers, sets of sets of sets of sets, equivalence classes of functions from manifolds to abelian groups, etc., as real things even though they clearly don't "live" in the physical universe, and perhaps even as more perfect than the tangible inhabitants of the material world. I think this may make the idea of a sort of spiritual universe with inhabitants like a Most Perfect Being Imaginable particularly congenial to pure mathematicians.
(On the other hand, pure mathematicians ought to be less vulnerable to some varieties of philosophical flim-flam used by religious apologists. For instance, the so-called "ontological argument" is composed mostly of logical errors, and I would expect pure mathematicians to notice this more readily than anyone else. ... But: Kurt Goedel, who was one hell of a good logician, actually put some effort into coming up with a logically sound version of the ontological argument. Of course it's no good because it relies on axioms there's no reason to think apply to the actual world, but it does indicate that a sufficiently ingenious mathematician may react to a terrible argument not by dismissing it but by finding a way to make it less terrible.)
[In case anyone cares: I am a pure mathematician, or at least I was one before moved into industry where one gets paid more for doing easier work. I was a religious believer for many years but am not any more.]
The eye, for example, has blood vessels blocking some of the photoreceptors. A moderately intelligent designer wouldn't run the power cables directly in front of the camera's lens!
Or...maybe we're not made in His Image: cephalopods don't have this problem, after all. Cthulhu ftaghn....
Any decent genetics/medical class will thoroughly disabuse you of this notion. There's a clear lack of any intelligence in our design beyond satisfying evolutionary requirements.
Up to 9/10 first time mothers suffer a perineal laceration during childbirth. 65% require stitches.
Male/female ducks are in an evolutionary arms race for control of breeding. Males have extremely long corkscrew penises for rape, while the females have vaginas with fake paths designed to resist. Humans have the same conflict, but it plays out socially (e.g. faking signals of high value during courtship) or in war.
A number of religious people, both genders, have argued to me that we can't apply human concepts of rape to animals/god. Nuts.
Either God is a sick, twisted, sadistic fucker, or life wasn't intelligently designed. Pick one.
That was my point: this is one reason why biologists are particularly unlikely to believe in God. (At least in places where the dominant form of belief-in-God gives prominence to the idea that God is responsible for the design of living things.)
Also makes sense that messy experimentalism would be less allured by the idea of especially Abrahamic God.
Also, in the USA, churches were historically important social institutions.
In a country of powerful religious institutions, members of a powerful guild with significant barriers to entry and therefore strong hereditary lines are often religious. That's not really at all surprising. At least to me.
For me the most shocking example (or maybe not that shocking) is how it's de rigour in sociology to deny evolution. Yes, they will superficially claim they believe in it, but that belief collapses when placed under the slightest pressure. For example if you ask them for examples of male/female differences that originate in evolutionary selection pressure, you'll discover there are none. Not even men being physically stronger than women has an evolutionary explanation, according to this field.
The rejection of evolution by sociologists is a long standing problem. There's an essay about the problem from 1990:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01112591
and in 2018 people were still writing about the very same thing:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00024...
The field systematically rejects Darwinism for ideological reasons.
Note: Medical researchers are a different bunch, per my own anecdata, I'm talking about practicing MDs specifically here.
Talking to people who have gone to osteopathic medical schools, it seems like the true believers there have enough clout that they're not transforming into normal medical schools any time soon. But OMM is such a small part of the curriculum, it's not a huge burden for the majority of students who think it's nonsense.
(Not to mention a deep fear that I might get one of the 5% that will try to re-sell me rhyme based medicine as proven science).
Now both MDs and DOs take a more modern approach.
> Osteopathic medical school curricula are virtually identical to those at schools granting the MD degree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Osteopathic_Medicine...
Virtually isn't the same. There is no need for DOs. Period.
I kind of expect that long-term lots of DOs will be replaced by NPs and PAs. I've been to medical appointments three times this year and only saw a Doctor once. Got excellent care each time.
"After graduating from medical school, DOs take a rigorous national licensure exam, which contains the same material as the exam to become an MD. Both kinds of doctor are licensed by state medical examination boards."