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I downvoted you for the lack of details. What you are saying can be said about any system, just change the name. Even about Mac.

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Fair enough, but if I elaborated much it'd quickly turn into a blogpost.

In attempt to sum things up, I'd say that many of the woes of the modern Linux desktop stem from being stuck between different worlds — one example would be with the X11 vs. Wayland situation. Wayland has slowly been improving over time, but there are still concessions that are being made by using either. I understand that transitions are difficult and that particular case is being made more difficult by parties like Nvidia, but the end result is a degraded end-user experience that won't be fixed until the transition is over.

The easiest fix for this issue is to not use Wayland, like 99% of users. I'm not sure who gave you the idea that Wayland is production ready, but it's certainly not going to see prime-time Linux for another few years.

Ubuntu 21.04 will be using Wayland by default for non-Nvidia users, which would suggest that it's not far off.

There are also configurations that are better supported by Wayland than X11, not to mention Wayland handles things like trackpad gestures better (which at this point, X11 is never going to get better at), so even if it's not yet production ready there are reasons why some might want to use it.

Such is the burden of choice. Today, however, x11 is still the standard.

X is no more standard than Wayland at this point. While many distributions still use X by default, it is in maintenance mode, and on it's way out.

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/trying-wayland-by-default-aga...

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefault

It seems reasonable to expect that these two distro's are the main ones in use by people who don't know enough to pick for themselves.

x11 is considered deprecated and is in maintenance mode so it very much is not the standard anymore.

Well, it is still the standard, in the same way that Windows XP was still the standard in 2010.

> I downvoted you for the lack of details.

Have you heard of... asking?

This is HN. If you are writing something, try to say something meaningful or don’t post at all.

I've just realized the reason I like this site so much is because I can watch a passionate argument play out and still like both sides.

"Grass is green, the sky is blue"

"I downvoted you for lack of details"

FFS.

But in reality, the grass is orange and the sky is brown.

::Mind Blown::

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