That said, it does make it a little bit harder for me to onboard my friends and family when they ask. One of the selling points has always been "Yes, you can use it on your phone and laptop" and "no, it doesn't cost anything".
I happily paid for Lastpass at $12/y. Logmein raised price and I switched to free. Logmein limited free capabilities and I will switch to Bitwarden or 1Password and pay them. I'm not staying with Lastpass to get the rug pulled out under me the third time.
I switched from LastPass premium that costed 15$ per year a few years ago to Bitwarden because LastPass could recognize password fields on all web pages, while free Bitwarden just works everywhere.
Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password. Last year ago I got my tech-averse partner to set it up on her phone, the entire process took about 10 minutes and then it was done. She's never asked for me help or support, once she got things working its simply continued to work.
I've since setup it up across my family and my pre-teen child is also using it without a hitch.
From a holistic perspective I love that I can manage multiple vaults. Everyone has a private personal vault that is only available to them and we have a bunch of shared vaults for things like xbox and netflix passwords.
I've never used BitWarden so I cant comment on the UX but $60 a year for 1password is well worth it. I can rest easy knowing that everyone in my family has good password hygiene.
I continue to harbor some concerns about the emergency workflows (what happens in case of death or disablement) but otherwise it's just been solid. LastPass felt, on the other hand, like it was increasingly neglected.
I doubt that. Navigating the sync options and finding one that works with Android phone, iPad and Windows PC was impossible.
Throw in two vault formats (with implications for which sync option can work), and it's a mess.
That was the paid standalone version, not the subscription model (that was when I finally jumped ship).
No, it didn't. I don't remember the details, but the local sync (starting a sync server on the phone) did not work for me with a normal home network, and Dropbox didn't work across all devices, either.
I would pay more for greater simplicity.
I would agree for the macOS and iOS versions but the Windows version could get some polish. The default title and menu bars still hang around, the font choice isn’t that great, and all in all it feels less nice to use.
My experience is about 1 year old, but I have to disagree, as a paid 1Password user, my browser plugins and mobile client would fail to fill in the forms I used at least 50% of the time. That's horrible UX, but I agree, their UI looks nice.
At most I want a prompt for my unlock password when the password manager sees I’m on a site or in an app it has a password for.
We still externalize way too much orthogonal effort on users.
One of the reasons I like 1pwd is their cli tool. I can put such a call to it in a script, authenticate and stop giving a crap about 1pwd
There is a [KB article](https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-lastpass/) about exporting your LastPass vault and then importing it into Bitwarden.
It only took a minute or 2.
The most annoying thing for me is that Bitwarden doesn't have support for all of the extra "credential types" that LastPass has. They are still imported, but everything that isn't supported is imported as a secure note.
So far the only issues I have had logging in anywhere has been logging into my firefox account (in a new browser), and home assistant.
Shared passwords aren't included in the Lastpass export, at least at the time I last exported from Lastpass.
The only functionality I do miss from Lastpass is the option to generate the short pronounceable strings I use to create usernames, like the one I'm using now.
Value is decided by the market according to the utility of the service. I happily pay $22 per year for Pinboard to keep a few bookmarks with tags. That's also storing "tiny text files" but I could not care less. I could even implement something similar myself. And yet, I find the value it provides worth paying.
Another, more extreme example. I am part of a $5000 business program. Last week, I got a single piece of advice that I consider already paid for the entire program. The delivery was 20 minutes long. It was not even something original invented by the lecturer, but it can be found in some books. And again, I don't care. The value is in the impact, not in how the advice that was discovered or delivered.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22178026/microsoft-authe...
Microsoft have launched a beta password manager
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Lastpass (€3 per month)
- Password Manager
- 1GB of encrypted file storage
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Office 365 (€6 per month)
- Beta Password Manager
- Office Suite
- 1 TB Storage
"I do not understand why the only companies that exist are Google, Apple and Microsoft? Where is the competition?"
If the only thing that a customer cares about is paying the minimum amount, the customer should not be surprised that their choices would be limited to conglomerates.
Independent restaurants are a lot more expensive than national chains and make a lot less money than the national chains. If one's only goal is to feed oneself in a restaurant, one is better off going to chain one.
If you choose a worse or more expensive product because it’s from a small business then you’re only making yourself worse off.
That's not correct: the part of the value that you get from buying from local small businesses rather than conglomerates is that you are not buying from a conglomerate, even if the local product could be considered inferior by some measure.
I find this line of reasoning offensive as it assumes that people who genuinely disagree with me don’t understand.
I think it’s more likely that people understand and genuinely disagree. It’s dismissive to just not respond to someone’s values and rationing and I think leads to less discussion and thus more disagreement.
It’s very likely that people place different values on things and I think to have conversation we have to get to common ground and then build from there. If different people miss the meat of an argument then I think it’s not as interesting or useful.
I would've been happy to continue paying 12 USD / year for that service, but at triple the cost? I'm now on BitWarden.
That said, you're not really paying for the storage, you're paying for the apps and plugins.
I can get the argument that it’s not worth $36 but not because of storage costs.
Also while free, arguably the UX is not very good especially on mobile, unless Keepass integrates the way Lastpass, 1Password, et al do. I cannot imagine convincing any of my non-tech friends to go this route.
I kinda feel like the price point for these things is set wrong, though. What you want is a higher price point which gets you /everything/. I pay $1200 per year for bandwidth. If I needed to pay a couple hundred bucks more for access to everything (online newspapers, LastPass, online office suites, etc.), I'd gladly do so.
LastPass should have 250 million customers, not 25 million, each paying $3.60 each, not $36. Most should be inactive, as part of some kind of subscription bundle.
Kinda like a more democratic, decentralized version of Prime.
From posts here, though, Bitwarden seems more reasonable. I trust open source more, and it's cheaper.