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Crimes are increasing and immigrants are now committing almost all violent crimes (80%+ on a per capita basis probably. Proper statistics is not really "allowed" but private well done research as well as anecdotes from many policemen including in my family point to that). However total crimes are not increasing that fast since immigrants still make up a minority of the population and the native population still has a decreasing curve of violent crimes just like almost all western countries.

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I think the objection to statistics about immigration (or minority populations) and crime is that they are inherently misleading because they generally compare crime rate to the population as a whole (as you did, jumping to the per capita), rather than to equivalent socio-economic groups. Consider two headlines: "immigrants commit most of the violent crime in this country" vs "most violent crime in this country is committed by poor people, and most immigrants are poor". How you phrase the headline makes a big difference in how people might think about policy.

Perhaps. Although I think in both cases the answer is that I would want fewer or no immigrants. The fact that "they're violent because they're immigrants" or "they're violent because they're poor" is quite irrelevant if you are the fireman being attacked by "youth" [1]

There is an issue in France regarding attacks on firefighters. It's most likely caused by systemic racism and the constant discrimination faced by immigrants when they get controlled or arrested by firefighters. Or, quite simply, as you mentioned, poverty, forcing people to throw steel balls and fireworks at firemen, so they can feed their families.

[1] https://www.thelocal.fr/20190820/attacks-are-becoming-the-ne...

It is very clear that, compensating for living standards, people of African and MENA descent commit more crimes than native Swedes while people of East Asian descent do not.

Of course, such facts get downvoted as per usual.

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