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> We don't label them as terrorists

That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not.

If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence occurred. This what they did when cell towers were vandalized.

The RSS on the other hand has stayed mum which in normal course of action will be and is taken as tacit support. Of course I don't read all of RSS's press releases. If you have pointers to RSS official press releases where they have condemned specific attacks I would be very interested to read.

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OP labeled RSS as terrorists for its members atrocities. Seems you are agreeing with him.

So tell me. Are you consistent with your labeling?

Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people?

> Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people

You are just trying to avoid answering the question by adding extraneous and irrelevant diversions. Sorry wont bite your bait. BTW I was not aware that RSS is a religion.

This much I am willing to claim -- RSS is a silent approver of right wing acts of violence starting all the way from Gandhi's assassination to more contemporaneous cow slaughter related lynchings.

Unlike the farmer protests that have distanced itself from acts of violence and vandalism I am unaware that RSS has done that for the violence that has engulfed India in this govt, but am willing to be convinced otherwise.

The spokesmen of the government have frequently branded the entire protest and Khalistani and Pakistani. I am very tickled that you seem to be outraged not by the act of the government which has real implications but on the comment someone made on the internet. That might be quite indicative of where your sympathies lie.

I did not event bait you. I was replying to OP and you inserted yourself.

You got yourself tangled because you could not honestly answer the question. Since you became aware you are not consistent.

See OP mentioned RSS as Religious terrorists because of its members. So to the logical conclusion Hindus are terrorists because of its has organizations like RSS/Guj riots involved in it. So you just called a million Hindus terrorists. Anyway whatever makes you happy.

> So you just called a million Hindus terrorists.

Yeah keep spreading lies if it helps. It really shows you and those that you support in revealing light.

This is very good because these chats and their logic is public and for all to see and make their own judgements. Thanks for making my job easier.

Pray enlighten me where I have been inconsistent without shoving your words on my mouth, and where I have called a million Hindus a terrorist.

You remind me of Sambit Patra the BJP spokesperson who was asked about the number of zeros that are in trillion when he was going on and on about Indias trillion rupees economy. All this Patra could respond with is invective that the person who asked the question should go and ask Rahul Gandhi -- a cheap rhetorical device used to clutch at straws when one does not have substance to offer.

I rest my case

This is very good because these chats and their logic is public and for all to see and make their own judgements. Thanks for making my job easier. - that goes either way. All can see that you are trying to diverge the conversation instead of answering.

You refusal to answer the question indicates that you agree with it. Else its a simple answer.

Let me ask myself that question. Do you consider a group of people a terrorists simply because some members indulge in it. NO I DO NOT.

That's it man. No grand conspiracy. No name calling nothing. Why not a simple answer. All are inherently biased. But that should not deter us in calling out inconsistently.

Which question have I refused to answer ? I made quite clear where I stand as far as the RSS or the farmer protests are concerned. I will say that yet again, RSS has over its history been a silent approver of acts of violence refusing to distance itself from such acts. The farmer protests had sections, possibly govt sponsored, who indulged in violence. The farmer protest bodies have condemned these harshly and distanced themselves.

On the other hand you have not yet pointed out where I have called millions of Hindu a terrorist or where I have been inconsistent. Its you who called me names (that I consider millions of Hindu a terrorist)

Too deep. I don't like deep comments since it usually means its going nowhere. But assuming you are sincere in your effort to answer the question(Which question I have refused to answer ? I made quite clear where I stand as far as the RSS or the farmer protests are concerned.).

So once again, OP(not you unless you are alt!) said that RSS are religious terrorists because of their activities. Now as as i know they have not denoted a bomb which killed hundreds. But maybe the term applies because of some of their other activities like lynching(Though this happens to Hindus as well, do we then consider the other party terrorist. No answer needed. There would hundreds of comments while you divert away from answering :)

Here goes. One last hurrah

So do i label group of people as terrorists because of some of its members. NO.

For you. You can fill in the blanks.

So do i label group of people as terrorists because of some of its members. __.

Religious flamewar, nationalistic flamewar, ideological flamewar, personal attacks, and tit-for-tat spats like this one are all badly against the site guidelines and off topic here. We ban accounts that get into this kind of thing. Please don't, regardless of which side you're on or how right you feel it is. It's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.

We certainly intend to and try to apply the rules consistently, but the problem is that we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.

One thing's clear: political/nationalistic/religious flamewar is not ok on HN regardless of which side people are fighting for or against.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

I don't see any flagging link. I am not for or against, just wanted to point out the inconsistencies. I can't anyway flag, so would stay away from those threads.

You can flag as much as anyone can; the karma limit for that is only 31. To flag a comment, though, you need to click on its timestamp to go to its page. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag.

If you look at my comment history think I have stuck to facts and been impersonal. Only transgression was when allegations were made by your parent poster that I called a million Hindu's a terrorist.

That's a ridiculous and defamatory claim. I think I am allowed to ask for clarifications or contest it when words are put in my mouth

You haven't just stuck to facts and been impersonal—you perpetuated the flamewar along with others. For example, swipes like "Yeah keep spreading lies" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979836), "You are just trying to avoid answering" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979695), and so on, are completely unacceptable here.

It's all too easy to assume that you're following the rules when you aren't—we all suffer from this, because we have our own good intentions in mind when commenting. But those intentions don't communicate themselves, and when you're arguing, your comments are likely to come across as 10x more aggressive (if not 100x!) as they felt to you.

It's as if, when sparring, people underestimate how hard their punches are. You don't feel it, but the other person sure does—and then they land a punch back that feels (to them) like it's about equal, but feels to you like it's 10x harder—and suddenly there's a brawl in which everyone feels like the other person started the conflict and escalated it, while they themselves are merely reacting. In reality, both are doing it, and both are subject to the same cognitive bias that makes it feel like we're the innocent one and they're the guilty one.

For this reason it's super important to err on the side of scrupulously editing swipes and aggressive language out of your comments, especially on divisive topics. As the guidelines say: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Even if your intent is good, the burden is on you as an internet commenter to disambiguate your intent for the reader.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Thanks for the reasoned response. Certainly things for me to ponder about. I wouldn't belabor the points. Not sure how to call out lies and unfounded allegations such as "you called a million Hindus a terrorist".

Unfortunately a section of a society just thrives on propagating the identity of a hurt majority -- they back stabbed Hindus, they called Hinduism names etc etc. History shows us that this is very dangerous.

I am not to sure that keeping them uncontested is a good idea. Will have to find better and measured language to contest those.

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