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Wow, these are heroic efforts that show a tremendous dedication to achieving acceptable performance and rendering.

Which is a surprise to me because I don’t really consider the jetbrain products to be “performant”. They run fine, sure, but take a long time to start up or open a project, and can get sluggish if left open for awhile.

It can take long on an old system, but that doesn't matter much [to me] when the IDE works fast throughout the day even when periodically opening and closing projects.

IntelliJ start up time is much better now. Take a look on IntelliJ CE (ported to Apple Silicon) vs VS Code (under Rosetta 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erg0Dz0MXww Of course this is unfair comparison, but you can see that the start up isn't slow.

That's indeed not a fair comparison. Mozilla reported up to 2x faster performance and 2.5x faster startup time on the M1 port.

That copy of VS Code seems to be starting very slowly, even taking the emulation into account. Lots of extensions, maybe?

For reference, it starts in around 3 seconds on my 2013ish laptop. (actually, more like 2014 - Haswell i7)

JetBrains IDEs are quite heavy in my experience. I like their capabilities (pycharms at least), but they do come at a cost.

My MacBook Pro 2019 model is about to take off if I use both DataGrip and PyCharm at the same time.

To be fair, a stern glance is usually enough to get a 2019 MacBook hot enough to cook your breakfast

Jetbrain stuff has always been slow - until I got an AMD 5600 (ram at 3200). For whatever reason, this combo of chip and updates to their software maybe (I turn off a lot of the add ins) - I've stopped being annoyed at the speed. It's "fast enough".

I don’t disagree with you, their IDEs have been full featured but a little slow. Suggestion, if I may: remove all plugins unless you really need them.

That changes on Apple M1 Silicon. PyCharm and IntelliJ native are very fast, as is Apple’s XCode. Life is sweet.

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