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A bike doesn't help you if the poachers shoot back or if they're buddy buddy with your boss's boss.

That said, I greatly look forward to electric OHVs because the Karens won't be able to get stuff shut down by complaining about noise. (What I don't look forward to is trails becoming "EV only" to keep the poors out of the sport.)

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I’m one of those Karens — fuck your bike’s noise, it should be illegal, at least in the city. Electric can’t get here soon enough so we can have fun and get some sleep too.

The funny part is, the people I see stuffed into "UTVs" illegally buzzing around on National Forest trails that are closed to motorized vehicles would be the dictionary exemplars of "Mrs. and Mr. Karen". "Why would you complain about us using the forest? We have rights too! Get your bicycle/horses/persons out of our way! Also we totally didn't tear down the 'private property' barrier that separates your property from NF property and that any hiker could have just stepped around..."

The obvious solution is to close all trails to vehicles which tend to destroy trails and vegetation.

If you go full Sierra Club and shut down all but the "purest" forms of recreating in nature then basically nobody will recreate outdoors and there will be no opposition to destroying nature because so few people will have stake in the issue.

Indeed. The continued existence of wildlife parks in East Africa is largely supported by tourists doing sightseeing tours in vehicles. Close those trails down, you lower the income from tourism, and poaching and illegal land use return. (Just like now some of these wildlife conversation efforts are reportedly suffering from the COVID border closures.)

You take "close down" too literally. You can still allow tourists, if e.g. you check their cars to see if they didn't do anything illegal.

Please refer to the OP, who was talking about closing trails in order to prevent the wear-and-tear on the environment that vehicles exert.

That's... all vehicles, including feet.

They'd have to poach all the animals to accomplish that.

Who would? To accomplish... what?

Geofencing on vehicles could do that, but we're not there yet.

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