Comment by echelon | Hacker News Reader

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This regime is no joke.

We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West.

If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened.

It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it has on Chinese citizens. They're not stupid, and they know what's going on.

Edit:

1. Brain drain. Adopt China's best, brightest, and most creative.

2. Culture war. Tell Disney it's time to stop being cozy and make a "Chernobyl" style film about Tiananmen, Uyghurs, Tibetans, et al.

3. Build up our global manufacture. Vietnam, India, Mexico, Africa, South America.

4. Build capacity domestically, especially for strategic needs. Build lots of factories on the border. Jobs programs. But also allow immigrant workers and provide a path to citizenship.

5. Commit to our strong allies in a trade pact. Europe, Japan, Korea...

We can route out this evil. But we have to work hard. This is an existential crisis.

The US and its allies should all be on board with this plan and commit to doing similarly.

The battle for science and research talent is probably the biggest silent battle that's ever gone on, and the general public is completely unaware.

I really, really hope the new administration has someone who cranks up the "brain drain agenda" to 10. The only challenge is doing so without importing too many spies or covert actors — and that's a REAL challenge. Perhaps it would be easier to aggressively brain-drain China's allies (not that there are any I can think of)...

I was quite shocked that an opthamologist at a clinic I regularly visit resigned after being ousted as a member of the Thousand Talents Program, here in San Diego [0].

[0]: https://timesofsandiego.com/education/2019/07/08/ucsd-doctor...

Yeah somebody just calls you up basically and talks about how they have this great company/opportunity and emphasizes that they have close ties to the local government.

I generally stay out of speculation and fear mongering, but the fact that your comment has been repeatedly - and quickly - downvoted worries me.

The CEO of a $600B global publicly traded company disappeared for several months. This does not explicitly mean that he was detained, but it should be a point of concern.

Imagine the outcry if this happened to an American CEO with controversial political opinions (there are a lot of them, so take your pick).

> I generally stay out of speculation and fear mongering, but the fact that your comment has been repeatedly - and quickly - downvoted worries me.

You should take a look at my post history, then. Any time I express concern over China I'm voted into oblivion.

It's the same with Apple, but that I expect.

Recently I think someone has taken to downvoting entirely innocuous posts I make from my post history. Sometimes I'll post replies to day-old threads and find myself downvoted within half an hour.

You're about to be downvoted too, btw.

Just wanted to say I've seen you around HN and respect your principles on this front. Would love to get in touch, contact info is in my profile or I can send you a message if your profile Gmail is accurate.

Yep. Same.

Tired of posts like that being flagged, and then derided by the mods here as problematic for highlighting plain realities.

We cannot bend to the misinformation from China or any corrupt world government.

>Sometimes I'll post replies to day-old threads and find myself downvoted within half an hour.

This has also been happening on Reddit threads where people post comments critical of China. Top level comments are critical, but then far down the thread, low visibility comments suddenly swing aggressively upward or downward by dozens of votes if they relate to China.

We (the UK) have already created a fast and easy path to citizenship for BNO citizens in Hong Kong. I don't think it's practical or desirable to do the same for the 1.4 billion citizens of the PRC though.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-...

>easy path to citizenship in the West

Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Since its inception. It may not be immediately apparent, but immigration to the USA was routine in its history and is still very common now.

For example in the late 1970s we accepted refugees from Vietnam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people

In the early 1980s we granted citizenship to illegal aliens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control... and new President Biden wants to do it again.

In the 1990s we allowed many Somalis to immigrate here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_American

There are countless more examples, old and recent.

Not saying I agree with parent, but:

i) "The west" is much bigger than the US

ii) Right of political asylum has been "a thing" for a long while, specially for people fleeing authoritarian regimes.

A) Its not really a US problem, its a UK one.

B) The US isn't exactly a hot ticket item at the moment. How many armed riots y'all had this year?

that helps the chinese people how? i mean i see the benefit for americans, but how do you propose to get people in china to support this? if this view is commonly held by westerners then doesn't this just give the CCP more legitimacy?

You're not proposing a plan to save the world here, what you're proposing is imperialism.

Yup, them saying

>2. Culture war. Tell Disney it's time to stop being cozy and make a "Chernobyl" style film about Tiananmen, Uyghurs, Tibetans, et al.

That's just straight up propaganda coming from a country that has plenty of bad stuff Disney could make movies from too.

Documenting the atrocities of their government doesn’t necessarily have to be propaganda.

I would want the atrocities of the US documented all the same.

Hold corrupt leadership accountable, always.

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