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I genuinely believe that this is a case of incompetence willful or not. Who knows, maybe someone at parler knew and never raised the issue because they were disgruntled and actively shot down security measures....kind of like what I did before

Basically a startup I worked for 12 years ago were fucking me big time on compensation so I purposefully argued against encrypting the database knowing how shoddy their security was. I didn't allow ANYONE to secure the backend. 4 years later, their database gets leaked and they get "acquired" for an "undisclosed amount" which usually means they sold themselves at a huge discount pending lawsuits.

No regrets. They were the single most worst offenders of labor exploitation. Serious human rights violations were going on and I did what I had to do. Take them down with the same incomptence they have shown towards me and others they exploited.

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So report them to the FBI or local equivalent for the "human rights violations", instead of engaging in willful negligence and then fucking bragging on the internet about how brave you were?

I doubt there were any "human rights violations", as reporting them seems like a much better (and much easier) way to screw over the people involved than not encrypting the database.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25771209 and marked it offtopic.

You have no honor as a person and as an employee. And even worse, terrible problem solving skills. Did it occur to you the people you thought your fisting could have just replicated the same abuse elsewhere? Why not officially report them so they could have been on the book for these transgressions industry-wide? How was not quitting the shitty job on top of your list here?

are you kidding me? Do you think we have rule of law in Canada? Our laws are a joke compared to United States.

Who the hell am I going to report to exactly? Who will take it seriously?

You are right. The law is a joke. Pornhub had videos of teenagers getting raped for months and never took them down until they got back-lashed by social media for it. Is Pornhub still up? Yup. Has anyone been punished for hosting this stuff? Nope. The only way to bring down companies like these without waiting for a grand societal paradigm-shift is to act outside the law unfortunately, because people don't care enough, that's just the sad reality.

I'm willing to bet that most of the people that are criticizing you for wanting to date an 18 yo have probably pumped and dumped many girls in their lives themselves. They probably consume porn as well and might have accidentally fapped to rape footage, who knows.

I think you're by no means a saint, but they're certainly not better than you. And expressions such as "thauts illigul" don't really say anything about the moral value of your actions.

You have likely confessed to a crime. If not a crime, you have committed a serious software-related ethical violation and should not work in software again.

> You have likely confessed to a crime.

What crime, exactly? I doubt what he did is any kind of crime. Honestly, some PMs would probably do the exact same thing (e.g. focusing on the "customer" by de-prioritizing "tech debt" to work on "higher priority" work).

Edit: not to say it wasn't unethical, but the bar for criminal conduct is not the same.

> Basically a startup I worked for 12 years ago were fucking me big time on compensation so I purposefully argued against encrypting the database knowing how shoddy their security was. I didn't allow ANYONE to secure the backend. 4 years later, their database gets leaked and they get "acquired" for an "undisclosed amount" which usually means they sold themselves at a huge discount pending lawsuits.

I don't know, the act of confessing that it was done in bad faith?

I have kept myself up late at night and in the early hours of the morning hoping that I made the right decisions in trade offs to protect my users, their data, and the company I worked for. I've worked for some companies that treated me pretty shitty. I've experienced racism, gas lighting, overworking, and being underpaid in my career. Never once did it occur to me to turn that hurt and frustration on the company or my users.

This is possibly one of the strongest possible cases I have seen to professionalize software engineering. Holy smokes.

There isn't a very strong argument, then.

You have an anonymous comment that claims to have caused a data beach of unknown data from an unknown company. No users are even mentioned.

I feel like it's a strange thing to call out as a compelling argument.

> You have an anonymous comment that claims to have caused a data beach of unknown data from an unknown company. No users are even mentioned.

I don't think you can even call it that, since he didn't cause the breach. It's hard to even liken it any employee repeatedly and deliberately leaving the door to a store unlocked, which eventually gets robbed. Since I get the impression the stuff he's talking about would have probably been inside some kind of perimeter defense.

IANAL, the best I can make of it from a legal perspective is some kind of negligence, but that's a tort, not a crime. So he may not have to worry so much about the RMCP, but rather losing his car to pay damages to his employer.

I think there's a compelling argument for an ethical violation, but I'm still not seeing a criminal one.

What is the bigger crime? Telling people to work 80 hours a week without overtime? Threatening female coworkers with bad reviews if they dont go on a date? Calling me racial slurs and stealing my lunch? I can go on and on my man you weren't there

I don't need to work in software, I have others work in it for me.

Those things are repugnant and some of them grossly illegal.

This is exactly why we have laws and don't allow people to enact vigilante justice. It didn't take long to figure out that hurt and misguided people act and speak out of vengeance and hurt. Nobody heals, nobody learns.

Even more, and what you ironically put on display here, is that you may have dented their pocket book but who you ultimately hurt was the users and your colleagues. Your woefully misguided sense of justice has ensured that the only outcome for everyone is hurt.

Not to defend the obviously very unmoored gentleman, but if he worked where all hints seem to imply he worked, the company was already using their database to extort users.

Edit: Just in case this was unclear though, that would definitely be another datapoint in the "Report this because it will be taken seriously" column. Not advocating vigilante justice, even if I'm pretty sure they were as slimy as he's saying.

You just admitted to purposely hijacking your employer's product development to harm them. You also admitted to acting in bad faith.

You probably just admitted to a crime. Certainly you've opened yourself up to a lawsuit to make the victims of the hack whole.

You're looking at some very serious legal trouble.

I doubt that.

I really hope they find you, prosecute you, and you never work in software again. Thanks for ruining a company for the countless others who were staying there, regardless of your experience, because they believed in what they were doing, and working towards their own personal goals. I don't know the details, but I know if someone did that to a company that I was invested in, I would be devastated.

Please go away, never to return. Go be a bartender or some other profession where being an asshole will get you ahead. Leave software to people who still care about ethics and have empathy for customers and coworkers.

Attacking another user like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. They don't stop applying in cases like this, and we're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here.

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Apologies, won’t happen again.

Appreciated!

So because you were not compensated properly you decided to screw the users of your company who had nothing to do with you being compensated less. You act like you are some kind of martyr but you are the sole person responsible for the human rights violations of thousands and potentially millions of unsuspecting users who used that service. I hope you can sleep well tonight knowing how you deliberately violated privacy and rights of people unconnected with your compensation issue. If you were treated unfairly you should have resigned. Not fuck the company over.

Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN. We've had to ask you this before, and we ban accounts that won't stop doing it. The rules apply regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: it looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines badly for quite a while now, by using HN primarily for political battle and posting lots of flamewar comments. That's seriously not ok. It's contributing to destroying this community, which is extremely vulnerable to such pressures.

I've been giving accounts a pass or letting them off with a warning when they've only been doing this during the collective fever of the last few days—but your account has been doing it for months, and that's very different. I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Look, the people who signed up for the service were mostly men looking to cheat on their wives if it makes you feel better.

Screw them. Why get married when you are just going to sign up on dating site to look for sugar babies who can't be bothered to put in the work so they sleep with married rich older men.

I don't think you realize how corrupt and immoral people are. I took great joy reading through the depraved private messages. It's technically prostitution if you wanna put it that way.

Let me take a guess: you worked at Ashley Madison? Data breach, Canada, cheating, etc. Checks out

At this point I'd be willing to put money on knowing where you worked, so if you have any worry about being outed for that, well yeah.

I do kinda hope you're not just bullshitting though, because those assholes definitely had it coming and this just makes it all the more deliciously vengeful.

sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Madison_data_breach

You may be getting thrills out of this disclosure but like sibling comments I recommend you delete these submissions. It is not painting you in a good light.

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