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Here are some of the screenshots [1] from Paler since Wednesday. Please let me know if you think Google is making a mistake or not.

[1] https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/13473740754552299...

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I'm basically seeing 4 posts about "kill <group/group-leader>" and otherwise standard speeches... and then someone later posts screenshots about Jan 20 re-org posted on twitter..

It seems like the basic political discourse you find on twitter, fb and every other social media system, both red and blue posters, at pretty much the same level of intelligence; I'm really not seeing anything there that doesn't equally merit the banning of, well, every other social media app.

How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system?

[1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

How about these? https://i.ibb.co/5xMfsGL/twitter.png

Looks like very nasty, tasteless, crud and even hateful tweets but I'm not see any plans to storm the white house to the murder people.

If that’s all you’re looking for, then just check the responses section of the tweets you linked...

https://twitter.com/EthanKrue/status/1347374487117946888

(Re-)Storming the whitehouse on Jan 20, planning on twitter.

Send me the links to the replies you think are bad.

I don’t understand, isn’t that what I did? Or I suppose, a link to a reply with screenshots of tweets clearly posted to Twitter?

Your link sends me to a tweet of screenshots of other people planning violence. How do I report those tweets if they're screenshots?

...yes? What do you think gets posted during basically every political event? BLM, obama election, trump election, biden election, etc... Calls for riot and murder are like the standard go-to on social media, if only because extreme posts gather a lot more steam than anything diluted.

I mean shit we just went through 4 years of liberals and conservatives fighting over this shit dramatically all over twitter -- I'm really struggling to find the new extremes you're finding in these; the only thing I can figure is you're giving it more weight because this topic translated into physical activity, where most such content just flames up digitally and dies out

So what exactly is your threshold before Google should be allowed remove a social media platform from their app store?

I’m only really concerned with consistency. This is just selective enforcement, with fairly obvious political motivation and timing.

Google doesn’t just randomly grow a set of morals and balls after a decade of silence about similar behavior by/on Twitter, fb, yikyak, tiktok, Snapchat, etc.

Hell, even encouragement if you count things like planning terrorist attacks and successfully killing/harming dozens on WhatsApp, and not immediately banning the application, as well as probably every communication system available on the phone.

If similar behavior would be fine on twitter, fb and the like, those people wouldn't have fled to parler in the first place.

Not being great at enforcing rules on social media is not on the same level as intending not to have those rules.

Equating private with public messaging is ridiculous. Not sure how laws are in the US, but when doing support here in germany we had to have private in-game messages reported by a participant before we were even allowed to look at them. The company obviously had a much easier time shaping the atmosphere in the public forum.

And if you only care about outcomes like never having a terrorist attack... well, I don't see how this could ever happen without in-depth control by government or the like. China-style is probably the closest example we have, and that's not a trade-off i would want to make.

What exactly do you think is inconsistent? Parler allows its users to openly plan violence. This past Wednesday has proven those plans weren't empty.

There was a story about a lady tweeting something like "kill all white men" on Twitter. She got cancelled, but Twitter is still here obviously.

Social media is universally terrible, you might be the last one to notice.

> It seems like the basic political discourse you find on twitter, fb and every other social media system

Well that is one way to normalize Facist murderous wrecks and their abhorrent ideas.

You can found many other samples in the twitter too. From BOTH sides

Are you reporting it? Is something happening when you do?

The content isn’t the issue. The question is: would Twitter moderate that content when it breaks their ToS? Apple and Google consider Twitters moderation efforts good enough.

Just a cursory glance on Twitter finds the same kind of unmoderated content but towards conservatives. Two wrongs don't make a right. But let's not act like these platforms are bastions of fair moderation. They are leftist corporatists, tried and true.

https://twitter.com/CustomsFatman/status/1163877317208264705... https://twitter.com/kxxtcxcxxnx/status/1322190172872712192?s... https://twitter.com/AlmightyBoob/status/97830880193691649?s=...

Your first tweet is actually from a trump supporter, his timeline is filled with #stopthesteal and other non sense. Weird choice.

https://twitter.com/CustomsFatman

It's not a weird choice, as it still shows that merely being able to find calls for violence is not sufficient for banning an app.

This is about moderation efforts, not content. Apple/Google think Twitter has good enough responses to reported violations.

Since content isn’t premoderated it’s obvious that it will always be some of that content.

The banning of this app isn’t because there are death threats but because Parler couldn’t present a moderation strategy to uphold their own ToS.

>Apple/Google think Twitter has good enough responses to reported violations.

Maybe, or maybe they just don't like Parler. I'm skeptical whether a serious attempt to clean up violent speech would ever satisfy these platforms, especially when what constitutes violent speech is determined by people who are extremely ideologically hostile and uncharitable towards you (eg. see how Twitter construed Trump's last tweets.) But we'll never know because I don't expect such a reform effort to be made.

Not sure how that matters, the content of the tweet still invokes violence.

You dont think a trump supporter tweeting "Let's just execute all right wing conservatives and get it over with!" as a reply to someone else (another trump supporter) matters?

Its almost as if you just searched for the phrase execute all conservatives but didn't actually read any of them.

> Its almost as if you just searched for the phrase execute all conservatives but didn't actually read any of them.

> Just a cursory glance on Twitter

You chose one specific instance to be the molehill to stand on, lacking substantive argument to fight for anything more than pedantry.

My argument is pretty basic, why would I report a conservative tweeting at another conservative "Let's just execute all right wing conservatives and get it over with!"? They're obviously not conspiring to commit violence against conservatives.

Exactly, my point.

Lost in the woods are ya?

I know it's painful but let it be.

They could’ve easily organized on Signal. What would HN say if Google banned Signal?

Ah, we’ve had nonsense like that all over the internet for decades.

Liberal pundits are saying similar about conservatives ... elected officials call for disruption in the street, 4chan has crazy stuff, yaddha yaddha.

We have incitement and conspiracy laws. We have an FBI and Secret Service that really take this stuff seriously and are well financed. If anything these posts make it easier for them to keep an eye on the tiny percentage of loudmouths that might actually do something.

There’s a cost to all this ease of expression, to be sure. Maybe people can be radicalized more easily, and that sucks.

But we’ve built this whole society on erring in favor of more free expression, and by and large this value has been a tremendous success, where the downsides are absolutely crushed by the up side.

Nothing will be an unmitigated good but in this case it’s pretty clear where the balance lies, and what these companies are doing -as we speak- isn’t the winning choice, for anyone involved.

>Ah, we’ve had nonsense like that all over the internet for decades.

and how many times has that led to storming the US Capitol building with guns and bombs?

Never. That’s my point. Why change the entire way we manage the internet based on one incident after decades of relatively little problems?

How do we know the capitol thing wouldn’t have happened anyway?

How is removing a twitter clone from an app store changing the way we manage the internet?

It’s not in isolation.

If this isnt an example of changing how we manage the internet, why even bring it up?

Actual threats of violence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQzLcO5qhY

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