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Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are, or how badly they are behaving.

I understand very well that there is extra pressure on a minority/contrarian view that feels embattled, but it doesn't make it ok to break the rules. When you break them it dissuades people from giving you a hearing anyhow, so individual interest and community interest are the same.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's a conspiracy theory that wet markets and traditional Chinese medicine (in which raw animal parts are mixed together etc.) are huge pandemic vectors? And that re-opening the markets and putting absolutely no controls whatsoever on them for 17 years after the SARS 1 outbreak is significantly increasing the chances of a pandemic?

And that it's not impossible that the virus could have escaped from a lab (since the SARS virus did multiple times before [0]) by accident? Though there is some real debate about that so I'm not blindly advocating that theory, only saying it's not entirely implausible.

I mean I'd love to hear your arguments as to the contrary, since you accuse me of 'state level character assassination' by... providing a large number of references to incredibly evil behaviour by the CCP? Please feel free to rebut any 'specific' which you accuse me of refusing to discuss?

I am making specific criticisms none of which I see you have chosen to rebut or discuss rather you are instead trying to smear me. Am happy to hear your actual arguments...

[0]:https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-bei...

> wet markets and traditional Chinese medicine (in which raw animal parts are mixed together etc.) are huge pandemic vectors?

Ofc, that's why they were reformed, current meat and grocery markets commonly found are nothing like the markets of SARS

And yeah, huge reforms took place on Chinese Healthcare policy[0] alongside South Korean and Vietnamese Healthcare policy, which is why all three countries have been doing so well, they learned all the lessons from SARS which were ignored in the West

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92479/

Overall sad to see that you are clearly not engaging in good faith, as these discussions are very important :/

> And that it's not impossible that the virus could have escaped from a lab by accident?

And no, once again you show the conspiracy angle, no, it is not the case because the virus has been genetically analyzed all over the world now and not datasets have been produced which could show manipulation, let alone the fact that patient Zero was found a while ago[1], but of course I am sadly not expecting you to actually accept it, as I am sure you will pivot to another branch of the broader "China == Evil" conspiracy-adjacent beliefs :/

[1] https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coro...

Please keep flamewar swipes like "once again you show the conspiracy angle" and "I am not expecting you to" and "I am sure you will" and so on out of your comments here. As this thread shows, the topic is extremely activating to people. Everyone needs to take responsibility for staying within the zone of curiosity and respect. As a bonus, doing that makes your posts much more likely to be heard. Perhaps you won't persuade the person you're arguing with, but there are thousands of other readers.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You have repeatedly misrepresented me, spread misinformation and defended a state that organ harvests political prisoners and runs concentration camps.

You're either a troll, very naive, a patriot to the point of delusion or in the employ of the CCP. Think for yourself and think about what you're defending.

This sort of flamewar comment is not allowed on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Please stop posting before things get to this stage. No matter how important the issues are or how strongly you feel, you need to stay within the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You broke them badly and repeatedly in this thread. That is not cool.

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