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Personally speaking, it just struck me as odd that - outside of some rare exceptions - that someone could be so dumb that he'd actually be ignorant of his ineptitude. This is different than misrepresenting your ability. Lots of people do that for lots of reasons, but for someone to be so sheerly ignorant as is often given in the case examples struck me as someone who will sooner rather than later learn painful lessons about the truth of his own shortcomings.

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IMO, like many things interpreted at a surface level, it’s easy to miss the detail.

“Dumb” is the wrong descriptor. If you’ve ever worked in a politicized environment, it’s easy to observe spectacularly talented people who are uniquely unqualified to do whatever they are doing. Those are usually good at something else, and those skills generally allow them to avoid consequences for their incompetence, unless they get unlucky.

Another common scenario you see in business is when attorneys get put in charge of things, or talented salesmen get put into non-sales executive jobs.

It's really not uncommon. You can go a long time before you have an accurate self-assessment forced on you. https://youtu.be/jq1_2P6YWtA?t=259 is good, a typically honest reflection from Anthony Stauffer, someone who is no idiot.

The people I know who fall into this category construct an elaborate world view where they are the constant victim of all the idiots and jerks of the world. Everything that goes wrong is someone else’s fault, not their own ignorance and bad choices.

So half of reddit?

Maybe the HN delusions of grandeur effect is real after all

(...I like both, merry Christmas)

I'm not saying reddit doesnt have any uses. But /r/popular is not what it once was. Like imagine if HN was covered in memes and low quality content.

You're grossly underestimating

Its the DK effect in action.

In other words, the Dunning-Kruger effect is a by product of deep narcissism (as opposed to sheer stupidity or ignorance, making it a palatably sinister pathological fungal outgrowth, truly scary).

They say these anti social personality disorders only represent 1-2% of society, but I always try to look at the results of a society to infer the true percentage.

I’d say Nazi Germany had a particular anti social personality disorder at scale, over 50%.

I’ll let you guys infer where everyone else is at now days.

Every single relationship you’ve ever had has failed and it has always been the fault of the other person? Please tell me more.

You might find this study interesting:

"Researchers identify a new personality construct that describes the tendency to see oneself as a victim"

https://www.psypost.org/2020/12/researchers-identify-a-new-p...

I think it's generally understood that people have varying degrees of self-agency. If you're the sort who doesn't believe in your own agency, that everything happens to you rather than you being largely in control, then when life hands you lemons you will consider yourself a victim.

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