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Perhaps that's where we are in making sure the overton window doesn't cede ground to vested interests; only the extreme alternative as a starting point if negotiations of whats possible are being made.

That almost exclusively refers to largely limiting personal cars, it doesn't include service vehicles, delivery automobiles, etc (so construction vans and trucks, ambulances, etc are still allowed).

Much more info on the car free city center concept at this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfree_city

tbh I don't actually disagree with banning personal cars in very dense city centers. but I have to say it is a special sort of linguistic backflip to not call this position "anti-automobile".

Why try to tribalize this? I explained how a lot of people feel, and that there is a bit of a spectrum in what people want.

It really feels like you're trying to make this an "us vs. them" situation negatively, rather than understanding that it's people wanting safer, healthier, more enjoyable places to live by means of reducing car dependence.

"reasonable".

Calling someone "anti-something" makes them sound one-sided and hostile.