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I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day.

Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & brown people in TX than San Francisco.

But hey, thanks for casually assuming racist motivations!

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That's... strange. SF's black population has definitely been on the decline (but they're certainly here, all over!), but you must have been actively hiding if your only exposure to brown people was people "kept back in the kitchen".

I'm not going to claim that SF is some amazingly perfect bastion of racial diversity, but if you're mainly only seeing and interacting with white and Asian people here, that speaks more to the circles you spend your time in than the city's diversity.

The city of SF is approximately 40% non-hispanic white, 34% asian, 15% hispanic, 5% black, 5% mixed, and 1% other.

Other Bay Area cities have different distributions. For example Oakland is approximately 29% non-hispanic white, 26% hispanic, 23% black, 15% asian, 5% mixed, 1% other.

You do not see brown people ? Have you, I don't know, been to any tech company ? where vast majorities of engineering groups are brown people ?

Not either of the posters, but in many demographic calculations, those of Indian descent are often referred to as "Asian" or "Indian" with "Brown" often referring to African-descendant or Hispanic.

There’s some interesting history here where the courts definition of caucasian used to include south Asians and was subsequently changed to prevent their naturalization.

As an aside, I often cringe at arguments involving skin-deep diversity. I’ve lived in towns that bragged of diversity when in reality they tended toward the same monolithic affluent culture regardless of skin tone.

The parent poster was making a broader point about "diversity". Unless they consider "Indians" as not diverse, that broader point doesn't stand either. Bay Area has many many towns with Asian majority - San Jose, Fremont, Sunnyvale, Milpitas, Dublin etc. come to mind. That comment was really ignorant

I've been to San Francisco proper and Indians are pretty rare there. You'd have to go outside the city to see a lot of Indians.

San Francisco 40% Asian

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco

> As of the 2010 census, the ethnic makeup and population of San Francisco included: 390,387 whites (48%), 267,915 Asians (33%), 48,870 African Americans (6%), and others. There were 121,744 Hispanics or Latinos of any race (15%).

> In 2010, residents of Chinese ethnicity constituted the largest single ethnic minority group in San Francisco at 21% of the population; the other Asian groups are Filipinos (5%) and Vietnamese (2%).

So less than 5% Indian.

Most white liberals like to pretend like Asians, including Indians, don't exist (or worse, consider them 'white').

It runs counter to a lot of their narratives regarding diversity, immigration etc.

Not sure were you live in SF and what circles you frequent. I live in The Mission and most times I go somewhere in the neighborhood there's lots of "brown" people. There's not much black people in SF but black people from Oakland hang out in some places I frequent.

Maybe it's your neighborhood, some islands in the city look like a white suburb, like Noe Valley for example.

This is not really a response to you particularly, but Southern California is much more _visibly_ diverse than SF and the Bay Area generally, I think. I am very happy with the diversity in my 4 years living here, particularly compared to the southern U.S. where I'm from.

Enjoy Texas - cost of living is a very reasonable reason to move there. But know that the Bay Area is much bigger than San Francisco. To see more black and brown people people you only need to cross a bridge.

This makes it sound like you're moving exclusively because you see too many white and asian people, which is kind of a racist motivation.

Seeking diverse environments is racist? Dang someone needs to tell Facebook

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