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> Weird and revealing double standard you got there, comparing "Chinese" as a collective to "many" Americans.

Chinese are collectively more or less in the same situation, they are ethnically mostly the same people and live under the same rules, Americans are not.

Few very reach Americans enjoy all the freedom power can buy, everyone else either comply or suffer the consequences

You really did not know?

> Chinese who are much, much, much less free than nearly all Americans

Nope.

I don't believe in the kind of freedom Americans believe to possess

It's simply a different kind of tyranny

Unless you mean the freedom to be shot in the streets.

For example: there are 700 people in jail every 100k citizens in USA, they are only 115 in China.

In 2008 USA had the 25% of the global World jail population

And you know why?

Because the private prison system in USA is highly profitable

USA has the lowest life expectancy of the whole west and it's only one year longer than China, despite being the country with the highest spending per capita in healthcare in the entire globe.

Is this the freedom you're talking about?

So no, USA is not a benchmark for anything good, including the exercise of free speech, which is only a lame excuse to not take action against extremists propaganda

> Indeed

So sometimes you experience moments of lucidity when you see yourself for what you really are?

That must hurt!

> Chinese are collectively more or less in the same situation, they are ethnically mostly the same people and live under the same rules,

Perhaps the ones you hear about are “ethnically mostly the same people”, but that's not actually true.

I'm sorry if Han people make up for 92% of the population, there are over 1.2 billion of them

I will rephrase this way

"92% of Chinese people are part of the Han ethnic group but that doesn't mean that they are mostly the same people... oh no wait! IT DOES!"

More than 1 in 15 Chinese people are not part of the Han ethnic group. When somebody makes big “mostly” generalisations about people, I don't expect “you could have half the clubs in a school composed of these people and still have some left over, assuming uniform distribution” to be true.

You do know that saying bad things about $CountryX doesn't prove good things about $CountryY, and vice versa, right?

> More than 1 in 15 Chinese people are not part of the Han ethnic group

Are you jocking right?

1/15 is about 7%, did I say or did I not that ~92% of the people in China are from Han ethnic group?

92+7 = 99 so yeah, there are mostly the same people in China

I never said that the other ethnic minorities are uniformly distributed or that they do not exist.

For example anybody would say that in Italy the population is mainly formed by Italians.

And that would be true even though Italians in Italy have dropped to around 90% of the total.

Less than the Han in China.

Have you ever considered the possibility that China has "less people in prison" because their government just kills any dissident and "troublemaker" without any semblance of due judicial process?

Stop giving him such a hard time! China's execution rate is a state secret, so no one really knows how high it is, but it's estimated to be significantly lower than that of peer countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran :)

And besides that, who cares if some troublemakers are killed off? The Han "collective" is not bothered by such minor things as individual rights and due process

> Because the private prison system in USA is highly profitable

LOL. You "know" just enough to remain comfortable in your ideology, and your self-imposed media echo chamber is more than happy to feed that "knowledge" to you.

If you think you are credible outside your tribe... don't quit your day job. You're just as delusional as the people whose speech you wish to control, and hence provide an abject illustration of why we don't want state control of our speech.

And don't feel bad that China is still behind the US in so many ways, there will be a Great Leap Forward very soon!

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