It all fits together now. That's why so much code that is farmed out to India comes back looking in such sorry shape.
My take away from working with graduates of Indian universities, both abroad and at home, is that these schools do not impart critical thinking skills as well as they should. This definitely hampers employability for many grads.
No it doesn't.
If what you claimed was true then why does India still continue to be the top outsource destination?
If cheap labour is the excuse then its the problem of capitalism, not India or Indian engineers.
The same goes to China and Chinese goods.
For companies who outsource clearly price is better than quality.
We know the off shore code is crap. After all, 9 times out of 10 we're the ones who have to fix it even though it will still be chalked up as a success for offshoring.
If they were offshoring something real, that they could look at and see the faults, that they could get their hands on, that they had to drive their cars over... they'd be screaming blue murder, and price wouldn't come into it.
> If what you claimed was true then why does India still continue to be the top outsource destination?
Because there are different ways of measuring top. He was talking about quality, you are talking about quantity.
> If cheap labour is the excuse then its the problem of capitalism, not India or Indian engineers.
Again, you two are measuring different things.
> The same goes to China and Chinese goods.
The fact there are so many Chinese goods does in no way imply they are "good".
Therefore, their education is lousy precisely because these engineers are employed.
India may just have conditions of production, whether by providence or design, that are more efficient at producing minimally satisfiable engineers than anywhere else. Of course I'm talking about a hypothetical India that produces engineer shaped widgets - so no offense intended:)
At any rate, we're talking about outsourcing. If they're not in India anymore, then by definition the US cannot outsource to them.
Good engineers command good salaries.
Salary, in my experience, really correlates with nothing. It doesn't make sense, but that's my experience.
May be you get what you reward. You reward crappy programmers you get crappy output.
IIT's are not your average university. Digest this: 34% employees at Microsoft, 28% at IBM, 17% at Intel and 13% at Xerox are of Indian origin.
Gates warned US congress on H1B visas, "U.S. companies simply will not have the talent they need to innovate and compete," and all those Indian students receiving their education at U.S. universities will have to leave, to the detriment of US high tech companies
I know a lot of IIT'ians who really put the name of the Institute to shame.
Eating on a brand name has been a long used strategy by people in India.