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> If it doesn’t it’s because you’re cheating.

Well, that's the catch, isn't it? The meta-technique is where the problem is. "Study hard for the exam. If you can't study, that's the problem". Useless advice to the guy addicted to games.

And we know one true answer for effective weight loss: pharmaceuticals. Ludicrous success rate. All of this other stuff is slow.

Cheat. Life's too short to play fair.

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If there was truly a safe and effective pharmaceutical remedy for weight loss whoever made it would be the biggest company in the world right now.

Are there actually any pharmaceuticals proven to aid weight loss? As far as I knew it was mostly all supplement bullshit to get you to waste thousands of dollars with nothing to show for it.

My doctor wants me to look into bariatric surgery but the side effects of that look horrifying long term.

Stimulants and appetite supressants work for some people. Side effects are pretty bad though.

Also smoking is effective for some. Again, bad side effects.

Almost all stimulants will work for this but have questionable side effects

Bariatric surgery is more effective than the pharmaceuticals for long-term weight loss AFAIK. Non-surgical intervention is slow in every form: lifestyle change, pharmaceuticals, all slow.

Not going to name the drugs, sorry, but your doctor will know of them. He knows your situation better, so I'll leave it to him.

I know two people who had surgical intervention. It was a way out that they could put money into and make the problem go away. Both are fucking miserable and it ruined their lives. But no one tells those stories.

If you're in line for bariatric surgery and your doctor doesn't inform you of the risks and possible adverse outcomes then she hasn't received informed consent from you yet.

Care to elaborate ? Why did it ruin their lives ?

Across two people: Hair loss, hernias and one obstructed bowel.

This took a few months. If you have to cheat to make a life changing health difference then you’ve not solved the problem. You’ve replaced it with another one.

This is classic Hardship Theology which rests upon the tenet that things must induce some hardship in order for there to be benefit. Reality has no such restriction.

You’re right. But it does have unexpected side effects and other consequences.

There are side effects certainly but they're well understood. Many are undesirable, as you no doubt are alluding to, but I believe they are rarely unexpected.

Pharmaceuticals? I’m afraid I don’t follow. Feel free to elaborate :)

I would guess at stimulants, such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, cocaine etc. Will work to increase activity and reduce appetite. Major dose-dependent side effects in that they are bad for the heart, reduce impulse control, loss of sleep, addictive, amongst others

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