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Seems a bit dubious to claim M1 isn't ready for web browsers when all of Chrome, Firefox, and Safari have ARM-optimized green checkmarks. Vivaldi, Brave, and Microsoft Edge — who cares? Similarly, the "Finance" tab is 100% green checkmark and also says "Not yet!"

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To be fair, I've been having serious trouble with Firefox. The public version (Rosetta 2) has been freezing up on me every third page load, and the nightly version (ARM compiled) has similar issues. But I'm optimistic that these issues will be resolved soon.

That's a good argument for Firefox not getting a green checkmark. Taking as a given that the site operators have decided to give Firefox a green checkmark, I think my complaint makes sense.

You're not wrong, and I suspect the person who you're replying to understands that, but I think most of us here are probably more interested in the actual performance than whether the author here gave a green checkmark.

I'm using safari until Firefox gets ready. I have pihole so I'm mostly unaffected by ads except for YouTube videos - I was reminded that YouTube had ads!

Safari developer mode is actually not that bad. The only thing that's really awful is the complete lack of (useful) plugins.

I was also able to run my web project without any issues with ARM binary.

The BitWarden extension appears to be completely broken, though I'm not sure if that's an M1 issue or a Big Sur issue, I don't have an Intel Mac to compare. So I'm stuck copy and pasting my passwords from another tab. Blegh.

Did you try wipr? It’s great (haven’t tried on M1)

I'm running the native beta version and it has been running fine all day.

This web site feels to me like the Intel ARM knock-off websites that kept equating "the full internet experience" to "running flash" which was something Apple was studiously not doing on iOS.

Bad memories aside, tracking what worked before and is in progress to working again, is useful service. Back during the 68K -> PowerPC switch this kind of information was very helpful.

That was a glitch, we've fixed it.

Some of these feel unfair, too.

OBS recommends against Big Sur because of a tiny corner of functionality (the browser view). But OBS otherwise works on Big Sur and on Apple Silicon under Rosetta2.

Matlab works but isn't officially supported until mid-December, but has the red dot and not the yellow triangle.

I thought that when I saw the site. Surely it should be "Are these software developers ready?". It's not as snappy or click-baity though. The truth is that this is a really useful site, despite its name.

Even worse looking at the design tab. All but Sketch and Pixelmator Classic have optimized versions, and both of those work via Rosetta2

Pixelmator Classic is being abandoned? I bought it but use it far too rarely to even think about buying Pixelmator Pro or whatever they're calling the latest version now.

I felt the same, but when I saw they offer an upgrade price (by bundling it with classic for a hefty discount) I decided it was worth supporting a good Mac app even if I rarely use it.

Oh, 50% discount. I might bite. Sad thing is they had no way to tell their app store customers about this (at least not the very infrequent users like me), and I had to find out from a random HN discussion.

And I only discovered it indirectly through Gruber: reading about ML Super Resolution on Daring Fireball intrigued me enough to go check out the price on Pro.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/11/19/pixelmator-pro-...

Brave is Chromium, and over ten million people use it every month.

Also, Firefox isn't natively supported outside of beta.

Edge has a higher usage share of the desktop market than Firefox.

On mac? No.

https://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options...

That's for May 2019. Here's October 2020:

https://bit.ly/2IQgrix

In the last month Edge went from 0.67% to 2.09%.

  May 2019
    Firefox 6.52%
    Edge 0.03%
  
  September 2020
    Firefox 5.89%
    Edge 0.67%
  
  October 2020
    Firefox 5.75%
    Edge 2.09%

Huh, I had no idea Edge was even available on non-Windows platforms!

It's coming for Linux too [0].

Unfortunately, they'll be removing the webRequest API [1] which was the only reason I would have wanted to use it. This will happen probably whenever Google deprecates Manifest v2 and Manifest v3 becomes the only interface for extensions, which will stop uBlock Origin from working.

Other than that, when I tried Edge it didn't work perfectly on every site. But, it will be nice to have another non-Google browser to choose from.

[0] https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/10/20/microsoft-edg...

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/microsoft_adopting_go...

Isn't edge a Google browser?

It is.

Edge is just a reskinned Chrome now.

No, they replaced all the Google services with Microsoft implementations.

Do you have a source? The first example I found is a bit dated (2016), but contradicts that claim: https://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/18/77931904-cb...

This source (2020) also claims that global Firefox use is about 4% while Edge is under 3%, contradicting the claim (even including non-MacOS devices): https://gs.statcounter.com/

Another 2020 source gives 5.5% to Firefox and 0.5% to Edge on MacOS, also contradicting the claim: https://netmarketshare.com/?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22...

Naturally it increased after it switched to Chromium and became the Windows default.

Choose your own source:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=edge+surpasses+firefox

Apple M1 silicon will mostly or entirely run MacOS, not Windows.

You never know - would you say that 20 years ago that very significant push for Linux will be done by Microsoft?

This conversation is around whether Apple Silicon is ready. In that context, Edge is far behind Firefox.

On the Mac? Sounds unlikely

Yeah, I hate to throw anecdata around, but I didn't even know it existed for the Mac. Is Edge 'built in' to some other product, so it scores points on a technicality?

Many corporations are pushing Edge over Chrome, on both windows and Mac, for their employees.

Great comment, thanks. It particularly makes sense for a Windows shop that still officially supports Macs. Hadn't even crossed my mind.

Edge? As a Mac user for many years, I can't recall any time I might have even considered using Edge for anything. I guess they ported it to Mac not too long ago, but who cares?

Same, but in Windows. (Well, Linux is my daily driver, but when I boot into Windows, Firefox is still there).

I do use Edge one time when I first load a Windows machine. To download Firefox or Chrome...

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