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The first AS Macs are targeted at people who don't need things like docker. Eventually all the support needed will be available. It's a two year transition, you have to start somewhere.

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Still worth sharing so that people are aware. I was in the market for these machines and holding on until their release, but I started going through my tools to see what was supported or not, and no docker is a no-go for me.

We don't know yet whether M1 will be able to support a hypervisor, so it's just too soon to say. I know it's not the HN culture, but I encourage everyone to take a deep breath and be patient for the actual hardware to arrive.

The Apple documentation for Hypervisor.framework now explicitly includes references to Apple Silicon, and even ignoring that, they showed Debian running in Parallels back at WWDC during the announcement. They literally had a giant interstitial during the talk that was titled "Virtualization," complete with a cute little logo/icon and a demo, in classic Apple style.

That's great data! Thanks!

It absolutely will - this post is referencing a July post which means it's the DTK.

Apple explicitly said that the DTK does not support hypervisors, and that final consumer hardware would. People posting garbage reports like this to HN annoys the hell out of me.

It will; it's based on the A14 chip which adds EL2 support.

That's what I'd assumed too which is why a M1 Macbook Pro was a bit of a surprise.

If the benchmarks from the other front-page post are true, then not releasing a MBP version would have left them in a position where the AS MBA outperforms their entire MBP line.

Yep, but due to the new high speed on-package RAM architecture they couldn’t support more than 16GB RAM, so couldn’t retire even the 13” Intel MPBs because some people need the RAM. It all makes sense.

I was also surprised, but consider that "Pro" to Apple means photographers, video editors, musicians, etc. just as much as (or perhaps more than) developers.

It's the lower tier MBP though - it replaces the "two port" one. The "four port" one is still Intel.

Not very clearly targeted. MacBook Air was probably the most popular laptop on my CS degree, and I bought a low-ish end 13” MBP toward the end of it and still use docker on it constantly. And that’s probably even more common now that they’ve pushed the price of the higher end MacBook Pro range so high. And they’ve replaced Intel Macs with M1 in the store, it’s not additive, I can’t buy an Intel MacBook Pro for less than £1799 from Apple any more.

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