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Take a look at Portabella (https://portabella.io), we're not feature complete with Notion but making serious progress!

I actually will.

Am also keeping an eye on https://anytype.io but I still haven't been drawn for their closed alpha grrrr

I looked at that for about five seconds, then closed the tab when I realized it was hijacking the scrolling and wouldn't let me just read stuff at a normal pace.

From the website it looks like Portabella is a more focused application, while notion is anything from a wiki to a Kanban board.

My company is evaluating Notion as a replacement for Confluence mostly, though we are looking at it's Kanban features also.

Makes sense!

We've just launched our Documents feature, aiming to be a G Docs/Confluence alternative. Still early days though!

G Docs and Confluence are VERY different products, in my view. One is about documents and one is about information sharing. You better pick early which one you're trying to be.

I don't see a way to self host it. Are you willing to consider it? It seems like you're targeting a particular niche and not having it open source or self hostable seems like a mistake.

No way right now. I do think that self hosting takes away most benefits we provide.

Hopefully open source soon!

What are the benefits that would be lost?

Well the primary benefit of Portabella is end-to-end encryption.

The reason for e2ee is so you don't have to trust the provider. If you're hosting stuff yourself why wouldn't you trust your own infra? As long as you've got a TLS connection to and from your servers + encryption at rest, client side encryption gives no particular benefits.

Well that's very different and not comparable to Notion because Notion is first for documentation and only secondly for project management

Looks nice ! Sorry I couldn’t find the help, is there a way to format tables in the documents ? (sadly for me “portobella table“ is basically impossible to web search...)

Not yet, need to add that component. We're using Slate.js under the hood so it doesn't come out of the box.

Make another post on HN when this open-sourced please.

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