Hacker News Reader

Comment by hokumguru | Hacker News Reader

I purchased an Oculus Quest 2 yesterday actually from Best Buy. As an original Vive owner I'm astounded at how far VR has gotten for the price. Getting past the forced FB integration, the Quest is one of the best VR experiences I've had. The inside out tracking is nothing short of magical and using Virtual Desktop to stream PCVR wirelessly works so much better than I was anticipating.

I'm not a FB hater, and I think the social integrations could actually be very useful in the future - especially in a post covid world.

View on HN

Please don't characterise this as "facebook hating". There is that. But this is not that. This is people more than happy to open a Facebook account, getting banned after doing literally nothing with that account, and have no recourse at all.

If you believe OP of being honest about that. Personally I don't, any time there are posts online complaining about being banned there's always some real underlying reason.

Either way it shouldn't matter. If someone is being an ass or cheating online, maybe that's grounds for multiplayer banning, like with valve, but not for a complete shutoff. Watching youtube videos or playing beat saber by yourself doesn't let your toxicity spread to others. Same with potential payment fraud even, just don't let them buy online anymore.

It should also be up to the developers of apps. Some may not care (ex: beat saber), or someone just want an ability to ban from their app specifically for bad behavior in their app, or have cool off periods instead of perma bans or whatever else.

Yeah I don't disagree with you. I just find it hard to have an honest/open discussion when the starting point is a claim without proof that "I didn't do anything", because in my past experience, every time proof has surfaced in cases like these, they definitely did do something and it completely changes the perspective.

Your sample size is guaranteed to be too small to matter. You can say, "I am cynical about individual reports, and naive about Facebook, so I automatically believe the latter over the former" just as some will do the reverse. But there's no point pretending individual experience matters here.

As someone else in the OP’s position (locked out of the Facebook account linked to my Quest), it is supremely frustrating to see your comment dismissing this situation out of hand.

Let me clarify. I also think it's stupid and fraudulent that you should be banned from using your Oculus because your Facebook account is locked. I just find it hard to believe that Facebook accounts get locked for no reason whatsoever.

Why? I think it is very plausible that a large part of this is automated. Combine that with a real name policy and false positives sound not that unlikely.

One potentially error-prone part of moderating any site with community content is handling users evading bans by creating new accounts. If you don't have any mechanism to prevent that, you have a much larger amount of offensive or troll posts, and react slower because you don't have the history of the user because you treat each account as a different person. But any mechanism trying to detect if a new user is potentially a sock puppet of a troublemaker is acting on rather few bits of information. So false positives are not that unlikely.

I'm sure there are reasons. It's just that Facebook's reasons might not sound reasonable to everyone else, and it could be as simple as a login from an IP associated with fraudulent behaviour caused by someone else at the same ISP. Carrier-grade NAT is funny that way.

Even if they were being a complete dick on FB, why should they be banned from VR gaming?

(A ban from multiplayer modes or just voice chat would be more appropriate, perhaps?)

I agree with you, I just don't like framing the discussion in light of the person doing nothing wrong when there's no proof of that.

Innocence requires proof?

> I'm not a FB hater, and I think the social integrations

If it wasn't the case that the "social integrations" are required for you to use a product, post-fact from when you bought it.

Changing the rules of the game for people who spent money in a product is slimy at best, complaining about it doesn't make one a "FB hater".

> Getting past the forced FB integration

There is no "getting past the forced FB integration", which is what makes it a paperweight to the author.

There's supposedly a jailbreak method for it that removes the FB login requirement, but it doesn't seem to be public yet.

Facebook should enthusiastically publish that jailbreak themselves. Without it, their product is useless to a lot of people.

Useful or not, it should not be required in order for you to use a very expensive price of equipment that you already paid for.

I’m also a fellow Vive Pro owner. What amazes me the most beyond the price is the convenience of a Quest. I just turn it on and play vs 1. Turning on the PC 2. Turning on my HTC base stations 3. Setting up wire control ie on the ceiling 4. Turning on the VR set

Sadly, the forced Facebook login sucks for a lot of people. I also don’t see any consumer benefit from it. A complaint I’m seeing is that everyone has to manually re-friend their Facebook friends for Oculus.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com