Comment by echelon | Hacker News Reader

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We need to stop doing business with China period. They're going to leapfrog our knowledge industries, leading to total economic stagnation of the West.

We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide.

Get the G7 countries, Korea, India, etc. on board with the plan. Start doing manufacturing in India, Vietnam, Africa, and Mexico. Copy their Belt initiative, but make the countries that do business with us allies rather than devastatingly indebted.

Agree in unison to cancel Chinese debts owed as repayment for technologies stolen.

Defend the South China Sea for energy exploration by other neighboring countries. Defend Vietnam's water rights.

Strengthen alliance with Vietnam, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. In the extreme case, offer recognition of independence to Taiwan or even US statehood.

Brain drain China. Offer immigration packages and economic incentives to Chinese PhD students.

We have to be proactive about the situation. Xi has played the CCP's hand early, and we have a chance to nip their ambitions in the bud.

Before anyone accuses me of racism, I care deeply about the Chinese people. I also acknowledge the problems of the West - racial injustice, inequality, ongoing wars. But compared to democracy, as flawed as it is, I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build.

For decades, American businesses and consumers have been happy to let the Chinese government get away with anything so long as our plastic widgets could be made - and bought - for 5 cents less. But the Chinese government is an incredibly malevolent actor by any measure, and the rest of the world needs to rethink its willingness to be complicit in their actions by way of economic cooperation.

This is comically naive in the light of recent events. Trade wars will be over by the end of 2021, and _all_ of the US manufacturing capacity will move there now, unimpeded. The only thing that's stopping that now and forcing US companies to diversify are trade tensions.

> We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide.

I do not understand how you can say this about China? [1]

> I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build

Seriously? [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LFbOSPfrE

The US does not have concentration camps full of religious minorities. The US media is only lightly censored, as opposed to the fully censored Chinese media. The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police. The US doesn't cover up global pandemics and then "disappear" anyone who talks about the cover up. The US is not the worlds biggest jailer of journalists. The US is not a one-party system which has outlawed protests etc. The US does not execute mass-scale non-consensual organ-harvesting of religious minorities to fuel their organ tourism industry. You should be thankful that speaking against the US government won't get you kidnapped and tortured like it would in China. If this was China, your very comment could lead to your death.

> The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police.

The US does seem to have a large misunderstanding of what the social credit system is, and the ways it differs, and does not differ from the regular credit system.

In what ways is the social credit system not a "tool for comprehensive government surveillance and for suppression of dissent from the Communist Party of China", as Wikipedia puts it?

What I tried to say is that the framing by OP is hypocritical fear-mongering which benefits US & Eurocentric Imperialism.

Of course I do not endorse China's human rights violations.

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