There are some things they do that should have some effect, like treating everyone from Wuhan like a plague carrier very early on in the outbreak (bit late to replicate that now, and China and the WHO loudly campaigned to make sure other countries didn't anyway) and quarantine for people returning to the country. We know from New Zealand though that even dedicated quarantine hotels are too leaky to really work at China scale - and there's also the problem of their extremely long land borders.
All China did was aggressively pursue WHO and basic epidemiology strategy of find, test, trace and isolate, and doing so early enough to contain the virus. There's absurd cognitive dissonance many people that somehow this shouldn't/wouldn't work.
The controversy shouldn't be that Chinese system could implement basic epidemiologic responses, but currently, many western systems are culturally and politically unable to, even during a (hopefully) once in a generation crisis. Systems needs to be flexible enough suspend liberties and adopt certain authoritarian principles periods of exception, see South Korea and Taiwan whose response was much closer to Chinese authoritarianism than not. This isn't to suggest the west is brittle, but there are qualities of a pandemic that asymmetrically exploits vulnerabilities in liberal societies.
If people believe that the temperature checks work, then they'll stay at home if they have symptoms and/or feel like they are getting sick.
But in western countries, I presume some people will have symptoms and then shrug it off as "nothing serious" and continue their life as normal, thereby infecting others.
So the main purpose of those temperature checks might be their psychological effect: The enhance compliance with the other rules.
Not only was there a high degree of voluntary compliance with mask wearing and social distancing but the power of the state was engaged in ways unthinkable in Western countries. To take one example, the government mandated that entire neighborhoods in Beijing be completely closed with movement outside only allowed during certain hours of the day. You can disagree with the policy on other grounds but there is no reason to think that extreme steps like that wouldn't be effective.
As for 'quarantine hotels' the point isn't that they are entirely fullproof but they are significantly more effective than the alternative of asking positive cases to self-quarantine. The same point applies to temperature checks.
China's record may be exaggerated for propoganda purposes but other nations with similar policies like South Korea and Japan have had simliar outcomes.
They probably lower things but it's not high enough to make people want to leak pictures of dead bodies or weird trucks carrying boxes.
Or maybe they're really good at hiding their operations..
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1...
Fundamentally, that's how you eliminate this without requiring a vaccine. Test the entire population or as much of it as humanly possible, enforce heavy quarantine on positive cases until they are no longer contagious, and the virus will therefore have no vectors to spread. It really is that simple.
You must not have spent much time here. Most Australians live in a narrow band stretched along the south east coast. Victoria, which has just come out of a 4 month lockdown, has nearly 7m residents in about 240 thousand sq km. Slightly smaller, but on par with Sweden. Like Sweden, two thirds of the state is virtually empty. Though in Victoria, we have a much more dense urban centre. The rest of Australia is similar, very small, dense urban centre with vast tracks of unoccupied land.
Yes, we can compare these if we are careful about the similarities and differences. Our populated areas have similar densities as various population centres across Europe. Our cities have been cut off from regional areas, and our states closed off from each other, which seems like maybe a bigger deal than if European states closed off from each other.
Maybe nuance is hard when you have a point to make.
My point is that the author isn't careful about the similarities and differences, the author just puts everything down to policy decisions and points of discourse that simply aren't the case in most of the places the author is describing.
Well, that's the problem with nuance isn't it? If you argue the bigger picture, the facts get in the way. If you argue the minutiae if facts, there is always another scope which renders those facts questionable. As I read it, the article made no comparison of anything with respect to AU/NZ, except that these are other western countries with very different policy decisions. Which is quite careful, and benign, in terms of a comparison to make.
If you take the example of Sweden from before, Sweden's border with Norway is about the same length as the border between NSW and VIC, about the same number of people either side, communicable languages, (prob also about the same level of derision from those on either side), a few major airports, a couple of difficult roads out, and the rest is by sea. Though they are closer to more populous areas, we also have a couple of billion people to our north, almost a third of the state are originally from overseas, more than half of them from Asia. There was definitely pressure here to stay open. The majority of Sweden's immigration by comparison is from Middle East. So if you look at policy decisions, in comparison, there is not much reason they were not capable of locking off their borders if they chose, both operationally, and in terms of pressure. In the case of the virus, though failure modes are indeed exponential, success modes seem they might be closer to linear.
You raised the 'does not scale' argument, but also tried to say the article lacked nuance. I was just pointing out (though I may not disagree in aggregate), I very much reject the premise of 'does not scale' when trying to deny comparisons. I argue that the article did not lack a nuance which it needed, but point out that your response did, in fact, lack nuance where nuance was needed. 'Does not scale' is a tired argument, and rarely stands to scrutiny. Comparisons are never perfect, but they are all about nuance, where do they work and where do they fail?
Sure, the environment will be slightly different and local travel changes things. But most Londoners and most Melbournians don't move that much. (Try to invite someone to zone 5) They'll have mostly-local interactions and similar social activity circles.
The structure of the schengen area and the differing population densities is an entirely different beast, I agree.
Just off the top of my head, South Korea, Vietnam and Uruguay are "continental" countries that held back COVID really, really well.
Since South Korea's only border is the DMZ I could see them effectively operating like an island.
Both Vietnam and Uruguay or to at least some degree peninsulas so perhaps that helped.
An (admittedly cursory) look at Vietnam suggests that their major cities are on the coast. Perhaps the jungle separating them from other nations was enough to make them act more like an island?
Perhaps we could revise the parent's statement to replace "continental country" with "country with diffuse trade and transportation routes".
Won't stop a plane. Hanoi is very close to a major Chinese city. And the border near Sa Pa is infamous for having movement over the border.
The much more simple explanation is that the initial cases were dealt with before it could spiral out of control.
One hell of a claim. The US certainly isn't importing most of its cases.