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I don't count web dev as programming. HN is full of JS people that think a text editor and a browser with fuck all data, load, or volume issues is 'programming'. Fucking casuals.

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Do you consider an app like Microsoft Teams not a "real" program then?

Arguably there is a distinction between "web dev" and "desktop dev with web platform technologies".

Much you like yourself, your questions is retarded. Teams is not web dev you moron.

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