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Fair point. They do have a significantly upgraded radio, however. I don't remember what happened to pricing when they went from 2G to 3G or 3G to 4G/LTE, but I would not have been surprised if pricing had gone up with the 5G upgrade (in a normal economy).

That said, the AT&T/Verizon giveaway/deception is absolute garbage.

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I don't have a problem with them increasing price. We don't know the cost of the changes in this version and even more so users are not entitled that Apple keep the same profit margin even if the cost is the same.

The deception though is claiming that new new phone has all these new goodies with the same price. This is effectively all these new goodies with $50 increase in price ($30 career, $20 charger).

The iPhone 12 (and Mini) also both have OLED displays rather than the iPhone 11's LCD, so it's at least plausible that there's a bit of increased BOM there as well?

> That said, the AT&T/Verizon giveaway/deception is absolute garbage.

Absolutely. :)

Motorola literally sells an Android phone for £200 with 5G. I just don't buy it.

The question is: what price does Motorola sell their non-5G phones for? I assume they're cheaper.

Question is, does Motorolas offering support the mmWave frequency band? I know that the Motorola Edge+ does support those bands, however it had an introductory price of 999$ so not exactly a bargain.

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