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Are you aware of the very large number of desktop environments and window managers available on *nix systems?

“Skins” were popular in the windows ecosystem around XP, but it was far from the peak of customization.

It was definitely the peak. I was heavily involved in several communities, and also ran plenty of other desktops environments, but XP had the largest following by far. The sheer number of websites devoted to skinning XP was astounding. Popular websites had thousands and thousands of themes. Winamp 3 was thriving too.

It was most definitely peak customization.

Ha.

Fluxbox itself. Fvwm. Enlightenment. Sawfish.

With fluxbox you had over 1000 themes. And winamp skins worked on xmms.

Also, fvwm was so distinct that you could have tablet like setups before even tablets existed, even with those infamous thumbnail minimizations, but in 2004.

Maybe peak community, I don't know about that.

But r/unixporn disagrees about peak amount of customization.

the odds were good, but the goods were odd :)

Even with that scale, the capabilities and ahievements are nowehere near what can be done with a proper *nix DE.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the extent to which people altered things, such as https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiteStep

Speaking off shell replacements: Are there any worthwhile ones today? I know Cairo, but it's "meh". The windows default shell is just buggy and glitchy as hell (even though I generally mostly like it - a version with fewer glitches would be enough for me, really).

AFAIK: No. These days the default Windows WM seem to dominate. I don’t know of any viable alternatives to it.

I did run LiteStep actually, it's still not nearly as much customization as what is possible nowadays with modern DEs.

LiteStep is amazingly customizable and versatile, but it doesn't come close to being able to, for example, define pixel shaders in a theme, or being able to easily change any UI element anywhere using simple HTML/CSS, or completely switching paradigms by just changing around a few dotfiles.

Not even DE. Fluxbox had literally thousands of styles. And fvwm powned ANY DE and Windows OS.

Enlightenment got me into linux, and when I discovered you couldn't run it on Windows, I discovered Litestep. And then spent so, so many hours of my life tweaking themes. Ahh, memories.

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