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Is anyone surprised the Guardian is not going out of their way to help Assange?

Assange and Wikileaks dumped the entire set of files, without redactions, while the Guardian, Der Spiegel, NYTimes were spending time and resources trying to redact them, and releasing them as they were ready, and Assange went around and blamed it on the Guardian.

He exposed them to destruction of reputation and liability that would probably have crippled and ended them if he hadn't backed off those claims.

Also, non redaction of documents, actively encouraging leaking, and actively doctoring documents are all things that Wikileaks (specifically Assange, according to the other co founders) have done and would be a massive game ending problem for any news organization if they as an organization engaged in such activities.

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> Assange and Wikileaks dumped the entire set of files, without redactions, while the Guardian, Der Spiegel, NYTimes were spending time and resources trying to redact them

Sorry, this is plainly false. This article and the testimony of people involved with Wikileaks (see Craig Murray's reporting for that) show that Assange was actually incredibly careful and diligent in redacting. It was the newspapers that were eager and impatient to publish.

It was a Guardian journalist's recklessness that let everyone see the unredacted cables, not Assange's.

This is blatantly false. Wikileaks released personally identifiable information for numerous at-risk groups around the country.

To this day, those files are still available.

https://apnews.com/article/b70da83fd111496dbdf015acbb7987fb

>In the past year alone, the radical transparency group has published medical files belonging to scores of ordinary citizens while many hundreds more have had sensitive family, financial or identity records posted to the web. In two particularly egregious cases, WikiLeaks named teenage rape victims. In a third case, the site published the name of a Saudi citizen arrested for being gay, an extraordinary move given that homosexuality can lead to social ostracism, a prison sentence or even death in the ultraconservative Muslim kingdom.

>The AP independently found three dozen records pertaining to family issues in the cables — including messages about marriages, divorces, missing children, elopements and custody battles. Many are very personal, like the marital certificates that reveal whether the bride was a virgin. Others deal with Saudis who are deeply in debt, including one man who says his wife stole his money. One divorce document details a male partner’s infertility. Others identify the partners of women suffering from sexually transmitted diseases including HIV and Hepatitis C.

> This is blatantly false.

I was replying to "Assange and Wikileaks dumped the entire set of files". "The entire set of files" referring to the Cablegate documents, not the ones you're referring to here.

Wikileaks have already addressed the ones you're referring to in a letter to the AP: https://www.docdroid.net/Gi3unfx/letter-to-ap-fv-pdf

> Assange went around and blamed it on the Guardian.

A Guardian journalist published the password to the unredacted trove in his book. Without that action, there would have been no "unredacted release". Nobody went around anything.

Why would you go around spreading falsehoods?

Do you have any sources for this? As far as I know, Assange went to great lengths redacting sources.

Ya hackernews is a terrible place to discuss Assange accurately I have learned.

Assange and Elon Musk are the two hot button names that get the low-information commenters around here really upset

Agreed- I get very confused on this site. Sometimes it seems like most people are able to have rational discussions without much bias, based in facts.. other times there are still topics where I might as well be talking to someone on reddit.

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