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Also, "the government will take strict measures to blacklist visitors who damage national parks or are noisy and disruptive."

I fully support this policy, and I hope it gets implemented in more parks around the world.

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Do those "strict measures" include a full and fair trial, to allow the accused to defend themselves, to confront their accuser, and examine the available evidence that was gathered against the accused? Is there a jury of one's peers involved? A dispassionate judge of high integrity overseeing and perhaps rendering judgment?

If any of those things are missing, it seems like it would be easy and cheap to disenfranchise any person, regardless of actual guilt.

For what it's worth, I very much despise anyone who litters or damages parks, and hope they are caught and punished properly.

The jury is mostly an American thing, most other countries don't have that - the judge decides who is guilty.

Juries are an English thing, from the 12th Century. Countries whose legal systems developed from England's are likely to have inherited them.

I stand corrected! either way they are not universal

We had juries here in Norway too until 2017. I'm moderately sure that Norway did not inherit the idea from England. Also Denmark had them until recently and Belgium and Austria still have them.

So it is not just an English thing.

They did - https://www.britannica.com/topic/jury

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Scandinavian-law#ref469034

Well.. they got it from Germany and France who got it from England.

Interesting, thanks.

No jury system in Thailand.

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories/overview-of-the-c...

Sounds like an opportunity for a denial of service attack via business card.

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