am i the only one who thinks that such approach have no chances to work in China, Russia, India, etc,...?
As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not. Editor-in-chief of Yandex, VP of marketing in Mail.ru, Director of PR of Google Russia are all women. I fail to understand why would you think this might be a problem.
yep. A bunch of engineers got together and certified all these MS products with Russian Federal government on pure technical merits. Have you checked the place of Russia on the world corruption list?
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/...
The China actually is listed as "cleaner" than Russia corruption-wise. And politically - well, Russia doesn't censor Tiananmen square, so on this one specific point Russia may be scoring a bit better :)
>As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not.
So, you don't see any difference between governmental and public relations in Russia? You aren't kidding, right?
If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none.
how do you think i'm suppose to know who, for example, talks there with FSB about providing (or refusing to provide - as if somebody is able to refuse - and what consequences it will cause for the business :) with the access to the email boxes, searches, search requests' and forum posts' IPs and other information ? Obviously it is a serious behind-the-closed-doors business what isn't done by a girl from PR. The fact that i don't know who this person(s) is has no bearing on the fact of their existence.
Facts so far: Google.cn's government relations were a team of three ladies, which was a public fact. This configuration is presumed to be suboptimal in china. You could not figure out who does government relations for leading Russian internet companies. Their public relations are largely done by women, and this is natural for Russia and doesn't seem to cause trouble.
A picture for meditation: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/
great, as it has nothing do to with my posts.
>Their public relations are largely done by women,
again, who mans theirs PR or kitchen or accounting has nothing to do with my posts.
You've brought in unrelated themes. The onus is on you to show how they are related, if any, to the original discussion theme.
You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some.
If you sort of "just know" that, then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite and I don't see how it would progress from there.
yes, if you look at my original posts, it is my personal opinion. It is based on my experience living the first 30 years of my life in Russia, ie. "just know".
>You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some.
I wonder what facts you imagine can be used to back such statement.
>then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite
and i'm pretty surprised that you may "just know" the opposite. Have you been/ are you living in Russia?
>and I don't see how it would progress from there.
There is no chance of progress here. It is one of the reasons i left the country (please spare the propaganda that thing have changed during last 10 years - it isn't always working even for people who live there permanently)
Moreover, I work at one of largest Internet firms (no any management, but still) and your assertions just don't "click" with my experience.
I imagine that you could show that Internet companies working in Russia indeed have government relations teams and those tend to be mostly-male; but that's not only thing I can imagine. The problem is that you supplied none.
Another thing is that I assume you've never been to China and India, which doesn't prevent you from spreading spontaneous knowledge AKA stereotypes about those countries. Both of those countries (as I can tell) are huge and extremelly diverse, so, for example, one's stereotypes of Chinese village would hardly apply to Chinese megapolis.
And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that).
as i expected, you're from the generation of "teach Putin how to make Zhiguli a better car than Lexus"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38lyqbwPkE
>I doubt that those four years of difference would make your opinion much more credible than mine.
1. Putin's Russia is pretty much the only Russia you had chance to see and critically analyze (not that you've actually used that chance though :)
2.as one smart man said "change of point of view worth additional 80 IQ points". You don't have multi-year experience of living in the society which has achieved significant advances on the issue of equal rights for women, so you just can't benchmark Russian society against it. Wrt. India or China - well, may i venture a guess that you didn't talk informally on numerous occasions through the years with Chinese or Indians about their countries?
>And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that).
If not for my "unbacked stereotypes", your opinion wrt. Russia, for example, would supposedly be the "actual signal" as you're presenting yourself as "been there and done that" where is your experience of Russia, inside and outside, lacks significantly compare to my as i explained above.
Anyway, I'm done with you unless you start providing either some facts or some deep analysis instead of machine-gun-firing stereotypes.
In the USA, we do not consider such a person to be lesser....
>Zhu was better able to communicate with Mountain View. But she had her hands full fending off Chinese government directives.
So they effectively improved interface to Google HQ instead of the interface to the government. That's very typical of western companies still learning how to operate outside of the Western culture.