Sadly this makes it look like HN is soft-censoring China-related threads...If I were a mod (and if I'm not wrong) I'd be very curious of the downvoting patterns in these cases.
Sadly this makes it look like HN is soft-censoring China-related threads...If I were a mod (and if I'm not wrong) I'd be very curious of the downvoting patterns in these cases.
Unfortunately, when people encounter opposing views, they don't think of this simple explanation. Instead, they think nobody could possibly hold that opposing view in good faith, and therefore they must be an astroturfer, a shill, a Communist agent, a manipulator, a spy.
There is a great deal of previous discussion on this topic. If you want further explanation see these links:
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...
If you take a look and still have a question that isn't answered there, let me know what it is.
But there are deeper reasons. I wrote about this the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24356496.
I think you addressed it well in the link you provided, especially with the SSM argument, but I have two soft suggestions for consideration:
1) I would personally like to see a HN rule implemented that requires you to post a reply to a comment before you can downvote or flag it. It's probably naive of me to think this would help stop brigading, but it seems like a logical extension of the current downvote setup.
2) I'd like to see equal treatment in terms of flagging both pro and anti- country/political platform comments. If politically charged posts are consistently turning into flame wars in the comments, which seems to be the case, the only way to address the issue without pissing off one set of people or another is to pretty much ban such comments in both directions. I know, easier said than done.
In any case, I think you're doing a great job and I appreciate how tough it is to moderate HN with the level of egos and strong opinions (mine included) on here. Thanks for keeping HN civil.
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The idea of requiring a reply for downvotes or flags comes up a lot and I'm sorry to disappoint, but we're not going to do it, because all of our experience is that it would just lead to a lot of low-quality replies.
In terms of equal treatment of flagging: flags are almost all done by users and we can't control what they do, so this is beyond our power. When we do intervene, we definitely try to do it in an even handed way [1], so if you see an unfairly-unbalanced situation, emailing hn@ycombinator.com is also an option.
[1] Anyone who bothers to slog through https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... will see, for example, that we moderate all varieties of nationalistic attack and don't play favorites.