That is true whether or not the riots have actually been geographically widespread.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/10/upshot/black-...
It's dragged on to the point that I fully expect support to start dropping precipitously. Especially as the protests have become continuously more destructive riots.
This just doesn't seem to be happening as you believe it does.
Campaign advertising is not news.
No, but Twitter live streams aren't campaign advertising.
The protests are demonstrably violent and destructive.
Your news sources have an agenda and tend to get these things wrong. Go to a protest and see for yourself if you want to viscerally watch them lie in real time.
So do yours, let's not pretend otherwise.
I'm an American. I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. As soon as you say that ONLY the police are doing something wrong means you have an understanding of the situation that no facts will fix.
Have you gone to any protests where the police used chemical weapons?
Gas is a chemical weapon. Pepper spray is a chemical weapon. Please don't compare Assad's use of chemical weapons to tear gas.
The use of tear gas is the use of a chemical weapon and a war crime, but when you turn it against civilians in your own country we give it a pass.
"I personally cursed the cop for pepper spraying me"
Just that one cop huh? They're literally saying all the cops targeted them.
"After a long solo hike, the researcher was able to personally see the inside of a volcano." There is only one person in that story. No 1:1 communication. It just means the person was there for the thing. This is how personally was used in the comment.
In fact it's a little weird. Personal in this sense clearly means 1:1. I doubt the commenter pepper sprayed themselves?
2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.
>2. You're now editorializing my experience of which you have no knowledge, calling it a mob. Oh my. Please refrain from using your imagination regarding my experiences.
I think that's a lesson you could learn from regarding other people as well. It seems like a right you reserve just for you.
Give it enough years, and people will talk about the brave protestors of 2020. But like all "brave protests" of the past, today they should be supported, and are not.
Nothing about these “protests” after dark is brave. It’s shameful and cowardly. So is the response from politicians.
Have you been to the protests in PDX? Seen the cops hurting people for standing in a protest?
Example: they announced a curfew via text a few minutes before it went into effect. Many didn't get this because they didn't have their phones with them. Tear gas and flashbangs had already been deployed with zero warnings from police.
It is not helpful or okay to assert such falsehoods with confidence.
Ok, I’ll bite. It’s racist, by the way, to point out the cops race. So that tells us a little about you.
I challenge you to show me a single example of:
1) A conspiracy theory
2) Prejudice
3) Misinformation
4) Racism
5) Feeling more empathy for abusive cops (of any race) than their victims (of any race).
All my info is either from primary sources, actual data, documentation, or first hand knowledge, not news or blogs, so no need to get cute with the snark. Try to have an adult discussion?
I can't believe you've trolled me into this. Twenty minutes of my life, down the drain:
1) conspiracy theory
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278910
2) Prejudice
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24279521
3) Misinformation
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24284118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24286768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278990
4) Racism
5) Feeling more empathy for abusive cops (of any race) than their victims (of any race).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24284044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24283587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278990
6) Unwarranted fear
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24278910
Second one said Seattle’s lost their black female police chief. Basic fact, not a conspiracy theory.
Third one also contains no conspiracy theory.
3 strikes, you’re out. I assume the rest are more links of me not saying anything close to what you purport. Which I knew, because I didn’t say those things.
Your list for racism was empty, btw.
if you call someone racist don't back down.
I think I've clarified what I meant. I was targeted. I can't specify the exact degree to which anyone was skipped over to get to me.
> In what way were you targeted?
First time, it was indiscriminate use of teargas. Second time, indiscriminate use of teargas and a flashbang shot at my feet.
> Were you doing nothing to arouse police attention?
I was standing in a protest.
> I think most first world countries have a gas they can use for riot control. Are you insisting that most first world countries are regularly engaging in what you would call war crimes... that are worse than other countries?
It would be a war crime if it were a foreign military force using it against the exact same crowd, but not if it's cops. War crimes have a way of being selectively (un)enforced when it comes to those in power, in any case.
Police are fairly atrocious in most countries, so I don't think there's much point in trying to figure out exactly where I'd rank the police in the US. It wouldn't make it right if it were average or not.
The other commenter seemed to understand well enough. Maybe instead of playing a blame game you could accept my clarification and move on?
> You can't specify the degree to which you think you were personally selected.
And I never claimed to.
> And you've given two examples of them shooting indiscriminately. So no, they didn't personally target you.
The second example was closer to me than anyone else and I was at the rear of the crowd.
I don't know how productive it is for me to keep telling you what I mean by saying I was personally targeted. But okay, I'll try again with the same substitution: I had a first-hand experience being targeted by police with chemical and explosive weapons.
> You can't specify the degree to which you think you were personally selected.
> And I never claimed to.
AND YET 2 SENTENCES LATER......
>I don't know how productive it is for me to keep telling you what I mean by saying I was personally targeted. But okay, I'll try again with the same substitution: I had a first-hand experience being targeted by police with chemical and explosive weapons.
"You've done it poorly".
> AND YET 2 SENTENCES LATER......
Please do me the courtesy of explaining your position rather than throwing around quotes and assuming it's clear.
If it were a foreign military doing the exact same action to the exact same people, it would be a war crime. There are serious impacts from using tear gas, including poorly-understood hormonal impacts to women, particularly pregnant women.
> Stop trying to manufacture an oppressed victim narrative.
I haven't manufactured anything, these are things that have been happening for three months via aggressive, proactive police action. You can go see it for yourself by attending a protest at a major city. Or you can review the countless videos. Or you can listen to people (like me) who were there.
> We can call a water cannon a chemical weapon too.
No we can't. Water cannons are also unacceptable in these situations, however. People like to act like these weapons are relatively harmless, but people have been disabled, nearly killed, or straight-up killed with them.
That list includes deaths caused by law enforcement and death of rioters killed by people trying to protect themselves from the rioters as well. There are some additional deaths by the rioters that are not in the list though but that does provide a decent synopsis of some of the deaths.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-...