srveale, the ENTIRE point of UBI, is:

- universal - basic

Basic costs met. Paid to EVERYONE.

Part of the "cost saving measures" are "not using complex schemes to determine eligibility to programs".

Further, if all you're wanting to do is guarantee a minimum income, that's not UBI! Not even remotely! It's simply a form of welfare, and shifting taxation under the guise of UBI.

Further, the whole concept of "I'm on EI, or I'm on welfare, but if I start working my income will drop, so what's the point" is another core concept of UBI.

When you start whittling away at these core concepts, when you bring back in the 'should this person get it' judgement and work to evaluate, prosecute if fraudulent, side of things? When you bring back in "Your income drops if you have other income" side of things?

You're just invaliding the entire point of it all.

It's not UBI.

So when people discuss UBI, please don't start talking about something entirely non-UBI.