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Comment by avasthe | Hacker News Reader

^this is an oracle employee speaking

Everyone else puts a disclaimer on HN. You Oracle people are not special.

Edit: I know I am getting severely downvoted for this. But there are some Oracle shills around here.

You can't attack a fellow user like that on HN, and you particularly can't post insinuations of shillage or astroturfing. The damage comments like this cause is greater than the damage they're purporting to combat. I can tell you from long experience with actual data that most of these accusations are based on pure imagination. That's why the site guidelines explicitly ask you not to post like this. If you think you're seeing abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it.

pron has been a fine HN member for many years and has been commenting substantively on these topics for a long long time. You owe him an apology.

People need to be free to discuss their work here without getting flamed. For most of us, our work is the thing we know the most about. Disincentivizing people from showing up here to talk about what they know about would be an insanely bad idea for HN, and these consequences can easily happen without being obvious, so we need to err on the opposite side.

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Fine. I was too aggressive. I have to apologize.

But I still suspect there is some subtle oracle propaganda on this site. I don't mean pron is part of that though, they're an employee, and naturally defend it in many discussions, and I think that's fine. I meant to call him out to include a disclosure. The 'shilling' bit was not appropriate. To clarify, I didn't mean to call him out as a 'shill'.

Well oracle employee or not they are making some interesting points. I would appreciate more discussion on the content of their post rather than just disqualifying it outright based on their employment.

He/she made his/her points of why he/she believe so. I think that this is the important part, because after that anyone can make their own minds about it.

Sure any prediction is pretty difficult to make, but languages can be "cornered" and have a harsh time to grow beyond their original umbrella, if it dont manage to be adopted in other scenarios.

Problem is, in a lot of those scenarios, its already a "blood bath" with several programming languages already doing the same.

We have seen this trend and with this historical knowledge we are free to speculate about its future as if there is no 'black swan' events, which nobody can predict.

We know that any prediction is risky, but it looks to me that he/she at least layed down the foundations of his/her thinking, and i must say it looks good as it matches with the previous experience and patterns over other technologies.

Its too crowded, and a lot of great technology are having a bad time to stay relevant, so no wonder that Kotlin will have a difficult time too. And you dont need to be an oracle to understand that.

I mean an Oracle employee talking bad about their own company in the subtext is kinda the opposite of shilling.

I didn't downvote either comment, but I do appreciate the person who called out the individual's affiliation. In the current era of so much astroturfing, I feel like it's good manners to indicate when you make a comment that you are an interested party.

What negative subtext did you pick up on? I didn't catch any.

I think this doesn't change his argument. Probably people naturally want to work at places where peers share similar opinions

He's the lead of project Loom, so he knows a thing or two on what he's talking about ;-)

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