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My experience with the stock Android experience from Pixel phones is a dream of zero bloatware. What I hate is the bloatware that nearly every handset maker puts on their phones, and the additional bloatware wireless providers add on to it, almost none of it uninstallable.

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How its dream of zero bloatware when Google itself adds tons of Bloatware starting from Play Music, Books, Duo, Drive what not.

I am even ok shipping them by default and giving an option to uninstall. Any app which I cant uninstall is Bloatware.

Don't forget that Google embedded Duo into the Google Play Framework so even if you disabled or uninstalled the app, people could still call you via Duo.

Google did this with Google+, immediately rendering my Nexus One obsolete because I didn't have enough storage for the framework :( the update basically bricked the phone. Even uninstalling literally everything possible wouldn't fix it.

I miss that phone so much.

You mean Google enabled E2E encrypted calls to every Android device?

That sounds like a good thing. Duo is still pretty much the only E2E encrypted video call app that also works on the web.

Stock Pixel, at the very least, is _packed_ with Google apps that you cannot fully remove.

Projects like Graphene/Copperhead/Lineage are built off AOSP which has no Google apps.

GrapheneOS.org

The developer of GrapheneOS seems unhinged. Accusing Mozilla of orchestrating 4chan and all that. [1] I don't trust it's stability.

1 - https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1264528965127024644

Hmm.. Doesn't seem relevant to the quality or longevity of the project.

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