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I just cannot understand how you guys accept bad cops, bad healthcare, bad employment rights, bad social mobility, bad education and bad banks, but apparently national id is where you draw the line. Why didn't you draw the line before all this other stuff that is far behind much of Europe?

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can't reply directly to the GDP comment as some cry baby has flagged my post and then a free speech loving mod has shadow-banned me with "you're submitting too fast".

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GDP comparison in $$ terms is a really uninformative comparison. Even between states inside the USA it doesn't work due to different land costs.

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social mobility: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-...

USA: 27th. Like the UK, the place you were supposed to break free from - anyone can make it!

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Well, are we supposed to not resist this bad thing because there are other, worse things? That seems less than helpful.

I'm expecting you guys to give up on this, just like all the other stuff. Downvote away, but you've lost so many rights since the 1960s, with barely a peep.

This is simply not true. The number and degree of rights that people have in America is unquestionably higher than the 1960s. I could probably spend 8 hours making a list.

Here's a good place to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landmark_court_decisio...

> Discrimination based on race and ethnicity

That's "won" is it? You've gone backwards compared to most countries, even if you did write some of it down on a piece of paper.

You've built quite the straw man there.

We make tradeoffs, just like different all different nations, even amongst those in Europe do.

Check out the relative prosperity of the US States individually vs the world:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/us-gdp-per-capita-by-state-vs...

There are plenty of issues, but all countries have them, the US just tends to get the biggest magnifying glass on theirs.

Hold up the US has some of the highest social modility in the devolved world. (20-40% of people will end up better than their parents)

You are ranked 27th.

I wouldn't call massive sustained protests to be 'accepting'.

Mass protests are only about the bad cop bit. You guys have given up everything. Conditions are far below what Europeans would accept. Better late than never, but very late.

It's damaging to other countries, for example in the UK emploers are always trying to lower standards to align with new USA lows.

Downvote patriots, instead of fixing your country.

You're receiving downvotes not out of some sort of "Patriot Duty"... You're receiving downvotes because almost all you said is wrong, and/or perceived very differently by US Citizens.

This is the danger you wade into when commenting psuedo-authoritatively about the internal politics of another Nation. You're very unlikely to have a complete picture, or deep enough understanding to make anything but surface-level superficial comments. The only sources available are partisan and political, particularly the stuff that makes it's way overseas. It would be unreasonable to expect otherwise.

As an American, I could easily retort we could have all the nice things if you European's would just pay for your own militaries for once! But that would be a gross simplification of international politics, and a, likely, gross mischaractarization of your country's politics.

I agree on the perception part.

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