If someone wants into your house, they will get into your house. There's giant glass windows in most homes these days and door locks are hardly much more than a speed bump.
All you should look at ADT for is simply making you not the easiest house to get into. But if someone wants into your house, a security system is unlikely to be something that stops them.
Edit: to be more clear, I think the deterrent part is the equivalent of putting an ADT sign in a window or nearby. THAT is the deterrent, not the system itself.
We added (real!) cameras after this and for the next 2 years freaked out every time an alert hit our phones. Now there are so many false positives that it's conditioned us to be less uptight.
My sister has a monitored alarm where I'm a secondary contact. On a recent alarm they phoned my to ask if I wanted them to call the cops. As I'm (at least) second in line this had to take at least 15 minutes since the alarm, plus the police response time (tip: minor property crime is not a priority for police). The burglars were long gone by the time anyone got there.
So my point is it's largely security theatre, like airport security. It makes you feel better I guess but does nothing.
It's difficult to improve on as well.. good physical security is directly at odds with accessibility and livability.
> It makes you feel better I guess but does nothing.
Worse than that.. as you've noted, it's reconditioned your expectations and it belies the fact that you can never truly secure anything in your home.
If you truly have something valuable, you can either insure it and hope for the best, or store it somewhere other than a space optimized for sleeping, eating and bathing.
If the cost of the security system is less than the discount you get on your insurance policy, then it may be worthwhile purely for that, but it's highly unlikely that the technology will be used to capture the thief let alone recover your property. There is much better and less intrusive technology for that purpose anyways.
Home security seems on the same footing with home anti virus.
I know 100% if someone wants into a house, they will get into the house. I know that when people put 'this property protected by Smith & Wesson' signs on their house, it only informs burglars there are guns to be stolen. I always joked I don't want ADT, just the sign.
But now that I actually have an alarm system, it's great. If I leave for the weekend, I know nobody has broken in. It won't stop them, but I at least know.
Not sure it's any better than an ADT sign, but maybe just as good.
I mostly needed it because for whatever weird ass reason my living room doesn't have lights despite being built in 1994. The lamp I use is fine, but the wall switch for the outlet it's plugged into is by the front entry door, I come in the side entrance where the garage is. So I've rigged it up so that I can turn the lamp on from the garage entry, thus allowing me to just turn on the one light I need anyway if it's dark.
So when I'm away I have it set to turn the lamp on near the time the sun sets, then turn off around my usual bed time. HomeKit is nice and lets me easily turn these automations on or off. Usually during the winter it gets dark anyway so I have another automation that turns the lamp on when I pull into the driveway.
I think that particular outlet is from iDevices and cost something like $40. Worth it imo.
They also said that saying that you have guns definitely increases the attractiveness to burglars. Guns are one of the things that would be easily (not legally) sold to somebody or kept to use in another crime. It wouldn't take long to figure out how many people live in a house and if all of them were gone.
I had a similar experience when considering a water filter. In that situation, I was able to actually figure out a sensible path, thanks to a very few unbiased websites: test your water or read your locality's water reports to figure out what your drinking water contaminants actually are, then figure out specifically which filter (if any) will address those specific contaminants. Meanwhile, plenty of people will buy a mass-market water filter for "peace of mind" which may actually be neither necessary nor sufficient.
Is ADT saying it prevents people from being able to break in?
Home security is about alerting police, in case someone does break in, so they don't have time to get many valuables.
Newer systems include video, to help convict them.
It's not about "you can't get it", it's about "you're more likely to get caught, so don't even try it."
I don't think someone is more likely to get caught, do you have any sort of documentation to indicate that? I suspect crimes of opportunity might be more likely to be caught I guess, but not someone with any foresight.
If a thief goes in under the impression the house has a security system, it would be easy enough to prevent recognition. Oversized jacket, hat, some sort of mask. All of it nondescript/black, no logos, etc. Apply a little bit of thought to this and it's easy.
In my area, cops aren't likely to show up immediately anyway. Someone would have minutes, not seconds, to get in and out. Maybe in an area with private security or with a larger police force.
That all said though, I think people's fear of crime is much larger than reality. As I said, I think the only value I'd personally find in a system like this is the fire alerts and an emergency button to hit if necessary.
I've had to deal with a few break-ins and every police officer I've talked to about it said that most burglars are in and out in a few minutes. They've mentioned that physical deterrents are helpful (ie. bars on windows) but not once have they said that an alarm system would help matters.
You might want to be sitting down when I tell you how much your grandmothers Jewelry is worth.
About five days after we bought our home the ADT salesman came to the door and after seeing that we were on the fence used this as another argument. Like you, I really only wanted it for the fire detection, and the fact that the panel has an emergency button and is located in the back but with clear line of sight to the front door.
We did have one break in during the 8 years we lived there, but the German Shepard was what stopped them, not the alarm sign in the yard.
At the end of the day... it will deter those that aren't interested in dealing with it. And for those that aren't deterred it just gives them the info they need to know it's a smash, grab and run situation.
I would also like to know if someone broke in my home if I am not there.
Yes, I am well aware of the statistics about gun ownership in the home, suicides, accidental shootings, etc.
The relevant advice here was "I'm not telling you to do this, but you can buy home alarm system stickers on eBay and thieves literally cannot know whether you actually have the system installed or not."
ADT used to have a clause in their contracts you could only cancel during a narrow window near renewal, is that still an issue? They are pretty costly per month compared to some other providers, this even if you own your equipment
I would NOT look at it as lowering insurance.
Releasing sensor data at all seems like a pretty big flaw, though. Lack of window sensors and number or existence of motion detectors seems like a dataset you wouldn't want getting out without some sort of ID verification (or at all).
Would be an interesting experiment to start calling about random addresses.
I doubt they’re actually that cynical though.
I bailed out of that real fast and ordered the Google Nest system instead.
But don’t discount the value in monitoring something that you can’t fully control. By the time someone greats into my house they’ll be long gone with anything of value when the police arrive (if they ever do), but having something alert me and the local Fire Department in case of smoke is useful. Same with leak detection and flooded basements, or break-ins. These are things I’d much rather know when they happen so that I can remediate, gather pets that may be wandering the neighborhood after door kicked in, etc during the day than after getting home from a long day at work (not issue in Covid-19 times). Even worse to come home to find a problem when getting back from business trip or family vacation.
ADT is probably not going to get Google's data. They are limited in what they know about their customers. How much data does ADT have in comparison to Google?
Google OTOH is going to get access to about 6.5 million ADT customers. Needless to say, Google already has acquired a lot of data on a lot of people, including those ADT customers.
If what ADT knows is now known by Google, then it is not just the details of a security system that might be disclosed by one entity, but the details of the people inside the building.
The risk (i.e., the potential damage) of undesired disclosure is greater when one entity has access to "all" data versus when the data is spread amongst multiple entities.