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Americans can be proud that they are the only country that actually stands up against tyrants like the CCP.

Compare that to what we do here in Europe: not only don't we do anything after China took control of Hongkong. We finance Putin by building yet another gas pipeline. And we finance Erdogan via the "refugee pact".

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I'm going to ignore all the blatantly groundless anti China bias here and factually point out that control over Hong Kong was in fact taken over by the British after China lost the opium war, which was a war that was started because China didn't want to buy all the opium drugs that the British were selling to us, and that this loss is and has always been one of our greatest humiliations through history

While HK is understandable, I wonder which war did China lose to India and cede Eastern Ladakh or Arunachal which China belligerently maintains are its territory?

Unfortunately China's overall expansionism is not reflecting well even on its legitimate claims in certain areas...

The border issues between China and India are a consequence of the expansion of the British empire. India simply inherited these borders when it became independent.

China is not really expansionist. What it does is to formally refuse to recognise borders drawn by the British as at time when China was weak and being carved up by Western powers.

Regarding Aksai Chin (Eastern Ladakh) even the British were not consistent, putting it in British India (Johnson Line) or China (Macartney-MacDonald Line).

Regarding Arunachal Pradesh the situation is quite clear from a Chinese point of view: This is a part of Tibet that was thus in China until the fall of the Qing Empire. At which point Tibet declared independence and the British took over Arunachal Pradesh from Tibet/China. Obviously this was never accepted by China.

These issues are never black and white.

Shh! --British and US history only begins when "they" retaliate against us.

Anyone is free to not buy anything people sell. But you can’t just dump the goods into the sea and besiege the store when you refuse, FYI.

I suppose the US's war on drugs should similarly be condemned then. All those poor drug lords in Mexico and them dealers are just trying to make a living

Whataboutism aside, your analogy is still very off the mark. The government has every right to confiscate products trafficked into their country. The British opium trade was operating under legal contracts until China unilaterally revoked the trade agreement.

As a European, I feel eternally ashamed that the entire continent [and several other parts of the globe. I'm looking at you, Australia] never actually stands up against tyrants like the USA.

Just once it would be nice to hear "No!" as a response from Europe, instead of "How high?"

I think you've been listening to too much misinformation if you think the USA is actually a "tyrant". Maybe look toward your own government?

The biggest trick the USA has managed to pull is to convince so many impressionable people around the world that it's somehow "cool", "admirable" and a "freedom loving" place. In spite of:

* Having had a system of apartheid in place up until the 1950s

* Having been in conflict with <somebody> endlessly, since the end of WW2

* Having invaded or bombed more countries than any other nation on Earth

* having the highest murder rate of any country outside of South Africa

* Having the death penalty and the most brutal prison system of any western nation

* Having the largest debt of any nation

* Having the most violent paramilitary police force of any western nation

* Flouting international laws and treaties, whenever it suits.

etc.. etc..

If any other country in the world had a record a fraction as bad as the USA, it would be a pariah nation. But having the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world and keeping everyone else dependent on the mighty dollar seems to get you a non-expiring 'Get Out of Jail Free Card'

You Americans really need to wake up and realise that you are just as much the "bad guy" as so many of the other countries you point the finger at --if not more so!

Haha, oh the Wumaodangs...

There are quite a handful of countries standing up against the CCP right now. Those with official diplomatic relationship with Taiwan, for example. I get your point though; many European leaders should feel bad (but they don’t, which is the problem).

Which country with relations to Taiwan has stood up against the CCP?

Sorry, but all the micro countries that recognize Taiwan do so for the money they get from Taiwan in exchange.

Palau has quietly done a lot, for example. The move is particularly intriguing since they rely a lot on tourism, and Taiwan literally can never offer enough to compensate their economic loss. Money is clearly not the goal in this case.

Well, if you want to go there..

Then, who stood up against all the western tyrants that killed all the Native American Indians in the United States and Canada?

Who stood up for the Aborigines of Australia, as the western tyrants killed them all, and stole their lands, and stole their future from them?

Who stood up for the Congolese Africans, as the Belgium King genocided them all?

Unless of course, your only explanation, was that this happened over 100 years ago, and the western people of today, are not like the western people of the past.

The funny thing is that, the western people of today, enjoy their wealth and privileges, because of all the genocide and plundering that their forefathers did in the past. So you can’t explain the present, without explaining how you got here from the past.

So in your world, murder is okay because 150 years ago, someone committed murder? What a weird argument.

The "western people" of today have learned and developed. As have most Chinese people. But the CCP has not.

Culture in free countries improves over time. Culture in tyrannies stagnates.

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